Did I say make a deal? I don’t recall saying so. I’ll repeat what I said, “Make an offer on it-the same price it sold to you before. See if he pulls the listing.” I d as I’d nothing, nor did I infer to make a deal. Read what was written, not just by me but by the OP. It should make sense after you do so.
Here are the two eBay messages I received from him after asking why he cancelled and refunded my payment. "My kids decided to play with daddy’s coins and I am missing 3 of them. Been searching since Saturday and can’t find them." "It has to be somewhere in the house. I am going to keep looking. Good news is they didn’t throw it away (went through the trash can which was disgusting lol) once I locate it I will message you if you’re ok with that."
It goes both ways unfortunately. As a seller I've had deadbeats that don't pay or pull se other issues also. There's always a few bad apples I sell on ebay and have been burned by deadbeats too, sadly there's always a few in every crowd.
Jmo but, maybe the fickle finger of fate intervened. To my old eyes there are several spots of light wear. Nose, cheek, eyebrow, hair above ear, diamonds, and hair at back of neck. An AU coin to me, with wonderful eye appeal to most. Don't know what it is worth. It is probably the best looking AU coin available and is certainly worth a premium.
I have attempted to purchase a coin from an individual for the posted price and the response came back "purchaser does not meet sellers requirements" the only thing I can think of is (if this is the same person under another name) I once returned a coin to a seller due to total misrepresentation of grade listed. Guess my $$ is no good. Phil
I looked at his coin that was listed. He put it that $600 is the lowest bid acceptable. Did I miss something? I looked at other IHCs and they are pretty expensive for my taste. My Dad had collected IHCs and I have them now. I have a coin for each year except the 1877 or the coins that have some type of special items. I'll have to look at them closer. My father died in 1996. He left his coin collection to me and my brother, but my mother didn't want to let us have the items in his will until she passed, which was in 2009. That was when I got into coin collecting. I do have several coins that have more than one.
Similar things have happened to me. A seller puts a coin he knows nothing about on eBay. As it slowly moves up, the seller becomes aware that the coin may actually have much more value than he thought. It's too late to just raise the starting bid. What does he do? This is where greed turns an otherwise honest person into a bald-faced liar. The excuses are myriad : I lost it. It actually belongs to my mother, brother, sister, aunt, uncle, or some other relative and they've decided not to sell it. My (see above) likes it so much, I decided to give it to them. I just realized that I need it for my collection. and my favorite : The coin looks so bad in person that my conscience wouldn't let me sell it to you. On an opposite note, I once bid on a Peace Dollar with a hole in it. I placed my bid but found out the next day that some one else won it for just $0.50 more than I bid. I subsequently forgot about the coin until a few weeks later when it showed up on the eBay sell page of a guy I bought from frequently. I was surprised to find he had won that coin. He started the bidding at $1.00 less than he paid for it. At first I offered to buy it outright at $1.00 more than he paid for it. He refused saying that because he knew these coins and was such a good judge of value, he was sure the coin would go for at least $4.00 more than he paid and maybe more. I placed the opening amount as a bid and waited. Long story short, the coin never advanced and I got it for less than I had offered him, less than he paid, and even less than my original first bid on the coin when he outbid me. I felt so bad about how much he lost on the deal, that I almost sent him some extra money. Almost.
Every negative review I gave anyone got removed....and quickly too. I thought negs were supposed to mean something.
I got my kid played with it thing before plus other stupid Stuff. The low feedback is a deadbeat indicator. Yes they do remove the negative feedback eBay is a cesspool.
My winning bid was $482 which shows up as a May 2022 sale in PCGS Coin Facts. The PCGS guide lists the value as $600 for MS64BN; his starting bid now. He messaged me that if he found it he'd let me know since I indicated that I was still interested. Yes, in today's hot rare coin market my winning bid was good for the buyer and it's entirely possible that he wasn't going to make a profit selling it for $482. In the end, it's his coin and his decision not to honor the sale.
I'm not a lawyer but I don't think that's entirely true. When the hammer fell, he entered into a contract to sell you that coin at that price. It's like if I'm selling my house and we sign the purchase contract, then the seller decides they can get more money so they pretend like they lost the house, or decided to give it to their cousin, or whatever. Nah-ah! Somebody selling their property that tried to pull that would lose in court in a heartbeat. Which is why I wondered if ebay would do anything about it. I suppose when you accepted the refund it negated the contract (in the real estate analogy, if you accepted return of your earnest money). As I said it's not worth pursuing, but multiply by 100 - if it was a $60k coin that you won at $48k and then "their kid lost it"...
Similar thing happened to me. Won a nice looking raw 1892 CC Morgan for $400. It looked to be AU and I was pretty happy. Paid immediately (I was watching the auction) and within hours received a cancelled message and refund. I inquired what happened and the seller claimed he couldn't find the coin. I questioned if he didn't have it in hand when he took the picture for the posting and was BLOCKED without an answer. I've since gone to his shop, didn't identify myself, and looked around. Asked to see several coins and within minutes was told, "if I didn't know what I was looking for, he didn't have time to pull all his coins out just to look at". Haven't been back.
Technically I didn't accept the refund as the transaction was cancelled and the refund automatic. The fact that I told him that I was still interested in the coin if he found it and he acknowledged that unsettles me a little bit. I noticed that after the auction I won he listed other coins with a ridiculously high starting bid and never got one bid on any of them. I hope that he learns a lesson from all of this.