Interesting 1880 P Morgan Die Clash on both sides.

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by PassthePuck, Jul 16, 2022.

  1. PassthePuck

    PassthePuck Well-Known Member

    I got this coin in an auction last week. It has multiple Die Clashes on both the Obverse and the Reverse, with possible doubling on the Reverse in God We Trust.

    The Obverse looks like a Bug Bunny, like a 1955 Benji! Check out the pictures. IMG_0239.JPG IMG_0238.JPG WIN_20220715_13_44_20_Pro.jpg WIN_20220715_13_44_59_Pro.jpg WIN_20220715_13_45_32_Pro.jpg WIN_20220715_13_45_52_Pro.jpg WIN_20220715_13_46_28_Pro.jpg
     
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  3. PassthePuck

    PassthePuck Well-Known Member

    On the Reverse... WIN_20220715_13_46_49_Pro.jpg WIN_20220715_13_47_37_Pro.jpg WIN_20220715_13_48_25_Pro.jpg WIN_20220715_13_48_27_Pro.jpg WIN_20220715_13_48_38_Pro.jpg WIN_20220715_13_48_52_Pro.jpg WIN_20220715_13_49_12_Pro.jpg WIN_20220715_13_49_17_Pro.jpg WIN_20220715_13_50_14_Pro.jpg
     
  4. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    Nice, but not an error.
     
  5. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

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  6. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Last edited: Jul 17, 2022
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  7. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    What a wonderful die clash. It’s bold. Since it happened at the mint I’d call it a mint error.
     
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  8. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

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  9. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    It is interesting. Thanks for the post.
     
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  10. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    If you follow Jtlee's link with your specimen in hand You should be able to figure out which vam it is.
    I tried but some your images arent clear enough to do so...plus theres several shared die marriages .
    Not having the specimen in hand it's only a guessing game.
    However if you sit down and go step by step you can nail the vam...I rather give you no answer than one guessed or wrong. JTlee is one of the best vammers on CT. And there are others too.
     
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  11. PassthePuck

    PassthePuck Well-Known Member

    So it's not as easy as it looks. I think it might be a VAM 5, 21, and 43. But I'm not sure if a coin can have multiple VAM's. Certain VAM's have 1 or 2 pictures within that VAM that match and the other pictures are not on the coin.

    Does this mean that this isn't the VAM if it doesn't match all the pictures for that VAM? As you can see, I'm a little confused. I have 50 Morgans with various Die Clashes.

    But I'm not sure how to match them to the correct VAM. I sent (2) very nice Morgan's 1888 S and 1890 S. The 88 came back AU55 VAM-36 Polished. the 90 came backAU58 VAM19 Polished. Needles to say, I was disappointed.

    So I started buying Morgans with tones. I don't want to keep sending in Morgan's to be graded, that come back...Polished!

    But figuring out the correct VAM isn't easy. Any help to end this confusion would be great.
     
  12. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    Attributing the correct VAM to a Morgan or Peace Dollar is not always easy. It's something you start to learn as you do more and more of them.

    There is a service that will attribute your coin without grading and they are the "Gold Standard" for attribution services. @messydesk offers his attribution services through varslab.com https://www.varslab.com/vamslab.html. He will get it properly attributed and put it in a nice holder to keep the coin safe.
     
  13. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    Looks like VAM 50A. Popular, but not all that rare.
     
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  14. PassthePuck

    PassthePuck Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the input! Question, what about the reverse of the coin? On the reverse side, it has a HUGE Die Clash that shows the outline of her nose, all the way down past her chin and out the other side of the wing for her neck. Plus, on the other side is a clash of the back of her neck where it meets the head?
     
  15. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    That's usually the way clashes work, unless one die is significantly softer than the other one. This particular variety is a "counter-clash", which means that it clashed twice, with the second clash transferring some of the first clash back to the original side. This is why the lips look doubled.
     
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