CAVEAT EMPTOR, a strong new warning for internet buyers!

CAVEAT EMPTOR is believed the new warning for internet commerce!!

I purchased a Caced coin listed on eBay, paid, and received nothing.

Correspondence was futile, no positive response, as was told ebay would allow not sending 4 digit value coin.

Opened case with eBay, no response.

Seller sent tracking number without ever delivering product, which allowed release of funds to seller.

Nothing was ever delivered to U.S.P.S.!

Contacted Paypal, which allowed eBay to automatically close their "non-delivery" case.

Paypal has to wait for a "Seller Response", never came so I demanded a refund after their stated "time-out" period.

Refund was eventually received.

No Seller personal contact info is allowed by either eBay or Paypal currently.

Significant research resulted in a direct Seller e-mail address.

I've been defrauded of a 5 figure sum over the years on eBay, and knew their "buyer protection" statement to be currently unrealistic after trying to resolve very apparent fraud, after receipt of NAD expensive equipment, blamed on typing errors.

There's no contact resource with their current 30 day real-time, or Paypal contact auto-close current policy.

I wanted to establish "benefit of doubt" or "intentional fraud" condition.

I contacted the Seller with a proposal to send through U.S.P.S. a certified delivery of payment for the coin purchased through eBay.

Time has elapsed after the Seller received payment, and multiple unanswered requests for delivery/response were sent.

LOCAL/LOCALE POLICE/ETC., POSTAL AUTHORITIES ET AL, HAVE RECEIVED EVIDENCE OF "INTENTIONAL FRAUD".

THE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS HAVE STATED THAT WITH ~6 MILLION REPORTS OF FRAUD IN 2021, THEY HAVEN'T STAFF TO INVESTIGATE (MUCH LESS FUTILE INTEREST).

THE SELLER ORIGINALLY LAUGHED WHEN I MENTIONED FRAUD INVESTIGATION/PROSECUTION.

IT NOW APPEARS THAT THE CRIMINAL COURTS ARE SO OVERLOADED THAT REALIZING CRIMINAL JUSTICE MAY NOT BE A LIFETIME EXPERIENCE.

BEST PROBABLE CURRENT ACTION IS IN A CIVIL BROADCASTED COURT AS JUDGE JUDY, MATHIS, OR THE PEOPLE'S COURT.

CAVEAT EMPTOR!!

 

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Who was the seller

 

agreed, post the seller's name so we can avoid him/her

 

Welcome to America! I wonder what percentage of our GDP is scamming. They do it because they can.

 

Because of potential legal liability, I can only mention the 1st name, Jerad

 

You can give the link for the item you bought.

 

As an attorney, I believe one of the facets for ebays' changes is to legally limit proprietory access to their ownership of all components of a transaction.

Even the right to view any portion of that interaction has their ownership.

Their rights are approved by seller/buyer in TOS accepted by acknowledgement of ebay.

JMHO

 

One more try. Winning price and type of coin. You're allowed to search, right?

 

EBAY should be prosecuted under the RICO act. I was tracking sales of fake antique Chinese porcelain about a decade ago and saw numerous sellers taking in more than USD 100,000.00/month. I have also seen massive fraud in gemstones. Coins too. I will not purchase from EBay anymore, as their response was to ignore or suspend me. As the act supposedly governs those who profit off of the illegal acts of others, how is it that they seem to be immune.

 

5 figure sum...DAMN

 

Report the scammer to the IRS. The money he is ripping you off for maybe unreported income.

 

I stopped buying stuff from eBay a long time ago when the really good Chinese fakes started showing up.

I only buy from the vendors directly now or specific auction houses like HeritageAuctions, apmex/provident, i think GreatCollections. But then I have not bidded on stuff recently. Mostly Provident and US Mint stuff.

Many vendors are on eBay and you can go directly to their websites. Individuals with expensive coins .. I'll just look elsewhere. I had one instance of ASEs that I was lucky enough to get my money back from someone who apparently had a long history of scamming.

 

I "bought" a roll of Morgans that never got delivered. I tried contacting with no response. I finally did get a refund. My thoughts are "Don't buy rolls on ebay."
Also, this is not related to coins directly, but my computer was locked up by someone claiming to be Microsoft. I got scammed for about $500. It was an expensive lesson. Also, someone was able to buy XBOX cards or something. It was $100. I contacted Amazon and they sent me an email telling me that they had investigated it and they could find no wrong. Now, if I buy anything from Amazon, I will put my credit card in and when I find that it has been shipped, I delete my VISA numbers. No problem on that item, but there are other things that are recurring monthly purchases that it's not practical, so I did away with Amazon Audible, and almost every place that has a recurring monthly payment charged to my VISA. Over this past several months, we have been scammed over $1K, without any recourse. I definitely don't buy over the internet unless I HAVE to have something. At 73, I can't afford to start all over earning money that has been stolen from me.

 

You said you got a refund. So what is the problem? Post the seller’s identification, so that others can avoid him/her.

 

He seems like a smart guy and he almost got hoodwinked. Someone with less knowledge might not be as fortunate.

 

Agreed. However, he wants to sue, and lost nothing but time. We all know eBay is a jungle. Never buy high ticket items on eBay. Everybody should know that.

 

As a private individual you can't bring an action, accuse someone without proof adjudicated by a prior court action, you can only present evidence before a jurist/jury, and prove violation to the courts satisfaction.

In the past, if laws were broken, criminal action would be enforced.

In a current quasi-anarchistic society, under certain conditions, law violators are often "overlooked".

It's believed ebay abetted lawless actions, violating it's TOS while controlling appreciable funds.

Paypal was legally forced to obtain my refund.

My effort of purchasing the coin outside the control of an abettor should be found legal, and accepted by a civil court for refund judgement.

It is a perfect case for establishment of change, if the proper Legislator can be convinced it has merit for them.

All I must show to future courts is I've acted with reason, understanding of law, expeditiously.

The principals of reason have been applied properly here, and anyone who wants them unreasonably changed, has the option of subpoena. court action, etc..

That's the beauty with the American form of Democracy!

JMHO

 

Another reason to celebrate Heritage and Great Collections, even if more expensive.

 

LOL, I don't want to sue, just what the majority of posters here seemingly want.

Seemingly dishonest Sellers should be removed from eBay, and as is done in my home state, imprisoned.

Ebay was the best source for quality pre-1933 Caced Gold coins.

I've several prominent dealers searching for me.

Ebay is still the best location for quality value products.

I bought 3 additions today that seemingly can't be found elsewhere.

I constantly watch the offerings of Dealers who in the past sold what I describe as "value coins".

They often complained that I bought all of their best coins, but they took my instant payments without complaint.

Times as now are really the best for an indecisive buyer.

JMHO

 

It seems the Paypal protection plan worked. Good! If you paid with a cc that offers an additional layer of protection.
I will add that from reading posts on various forums over the years, eBay has generally favored buyers in disputes over sellers, sometimes to a ridiculous degree.
I am somewhat curious as to whether the seller in question had a long selling history on eBay, numerous pos. fb on expensive coins?