Can someone please explain this to me?

A gentleman walked in today with this coin. I know it has to be a vice-job if some sort, but how on earth did the e pluribus unum become raised?

a vice would push the design into the coin rather than leave it in relief.

what say you?

 

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A capped die possibly

 

I vote false dies. They would leave images in relief and not incuse like being sandwiched between two other coins in a vise.

 

I would agree that it is a vice job. The damage to the reverse of the cent shows it had heavy pressure inflicted.

 

I would agree based on my limited knowledge. I was thinking a double vice job at first, (vice job applied to another vice job as culprit), but false die makes more sense.

 

Most probably someone tried to be smart ,so you make 2 different pressings postive to negative back to positive that way the image transfer is what your seeing.

The lost wax process in jewerly making .....you make a model built in wax, that is incased in a mold ,the mold is then placed in a kiln then the wax is burnt out, while the mold is still hot the melted gold or silver then poured into the mold. And there you go . pos.to neg. to pos.... and that's how I would explain letters raised not incuse.

 

Thank you. Better explanation than "double vice job" I said. Same idea, but better said.

 

To my mind set its the only explanation there is....but again it was thought out....to try and mess with someone as to exactly what they are seeing.

 

I see a raised "E Pluribus Unum" above the memorial, where it should be. Is there another EPU somewhere on this coin?

 

On the obverse across Lincoln's bust with the torch and olive branch

 

the guarantee that this is fake is that you cannot have a dime on a cent planchet. It will not fit into the dime press

 

When I inherited my father's collection he had a few labeled as false dies. I was amazed by them until I learned what it meant, lol.

I sent them to another member here but I hope to see them again in his next book.

 

we all basically "know" that it's fake Ziggy, but we want to know how it was made.

and just for the record... in order to have dime details on a cent planchet, the coin would have to be broadstruck because it won't fit in the collar

 

I see it now. It's raised just like the rest of the dime's devices. Your wording made me think the EPU was the only part that was raised. nevermind....

 

Hi Mike
I just felt it needed to be mentioned for any noobies that may be reading along

 

Heat the end of a 3/4" or so steel rod cherry red and press a dime into it using an arbor press. Quench and let cool then start striking coins.

 

Huh... I always wondered how people made false dies strong enough to survive striking a coin. I always figured it was some huge involved hassle to engrave and harden your own dies, but this.... It is so terrifyingly simple almost anyone could do it...

 

Actually the bigger the diameter of the rod the better. Too a certain point. This allows for a deeper impression of the coin. The impression of the coin's rim marks where shaping and clean-up using a lathe is required.

 

And me here without an arbor press. Wonder how much I could accomplish with a sledgehammer and some luck. (For that matter, I wonder if I've got a torch beefy enough to get a rod that size that hot.)

 

Lol one way to find out

Me, I'd rather have custom dies made from that place I saw online the other day, order some blanks and press out my own custom challenge coins and tokens. Sounds like fun.