INS Thought we could discuss this one.

I have at least six different INSAB styles... including one of the polaroids.

@Pickin and Grinin that is Conder101's INS-4,
https://boards.ngccoin.com/topic/138429-what-is-ins-big-scans-added-for-conder/

The INSAB slab was used by (at least) PCI, Global and INGS (International Numismatic Grading Service). As a two-chamber slab, it worked around the Accugrade three-chamber slab patent. This doesn't mean it was/was not provided to INSAB by Accugrade as Conder101 says, just that it didn't have to be.

INS-3 (w/o cert# on the back)



Note that your example has TWO different Cert#s in different ranges. My INS-4 is an 1893 Columbian half, with just a 71640-10 cert#:



INS-5 (rare)



INS-6 (unique)



Unlisted (an intriguing one, listing the seller (CoinVault, In. AND INSAB):



Correspondence between EPN and Charles Hoskins: https://archive.org/details/interna...uthentication1981to82epncorr/page/n3/mode/2up

Finally, an interview with Charles Hoskins about INSAB: https://archive.org/details/centinel33n0cent/page/14/mode/2up

 

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Thanks for the run down on the slabs, @Burton Strauss III
I wonder how many of the generation 6 holders are now known. The thread at NGC said 1 known, that was 2005.

@Conder101 do you have any updates to the slab history?

@Insider I went hunting a bit more info on these, after Burton Strauss post. You bought a coin in an earlier holder with MS64DMPL
on the slab. If MS60 and MS65 were the only ones used How did this one get 64DMPL. Part way down the page.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/979671/old-odd-and-unique-holders/p3

The slab you posted seems to be an earlier generation INS-3

 

This is easy to answer with some research as I don't remember the exact dates. Up to 1975-76, before the ANA moved their Authentication Service from DC for CO, the only grades used for internal records at the service were listed in Penny Whimsy plus any modifiers such as "Scratch Damage." There were no third-party grading services. Only authentication was offered to the public. Note that if you add the expanded #'s that came later (little-by-little: 25, 35, 45, 53, 55, and 58) you'll see that modern "Detail" grading is virtually an exact adoption of our Technical Grading System ** used to Identify coins for internal records in the 1970's!

This system, Technical Grading, was carried over to the first coin grading service at the INS Authentication Bureau (the 2nd AUTHENTICATION service). I don't have a copy of the first ANA Grading Guide handy; but as soon as that was published, the second TPGS at the ANA in CO included any of the new numbers and adjectives were dropped in favor of numbers. Also NCI came on to the scene for a third opinion if needed.

By the time INS was putting coins in plastic slabs (we were late to the party) the MS range of numbers had been expanded.

Unfortunately, while all the changes were taking place from 1975 - 1987 I did not think to keep a diary. I only remember the big changes and not when they happened.

** Designed by one of our CT members who shall remain unnamed.


BIG EDIT: I never saw any INS slabs that did not have the Washington DC address or the next generation with the same appearance except for the PA address. INS moved to PA sometime after 1986. It appears they sold out their name and reputation to outside parties. It appears the "sold out" their name to outside parties.
Thanks Burton!

 

The INS 6 is important and impressive. It isn't unique, that is now the second specimen. The first was pictured on page 169 in my book back in 2003. Yours has a lower serial number than the one I pictured. I don't own the first one, but I do know where it is. (I can't afford a proof 1849 half cent)

The Coin Vault piece is NOT a grading service. It is also pictured in my book in the Miscellaneous section, pages 414 and 415. Coin Vault was a service from the late 1980's that would encapsulate coins for people who had photocertificate certified coins, of for added protection of coins. It comes in two varieties, the firs tfor photocertified coins where it identifies the company that did the certification and the grade THAT company gave the coin. The second variety just identifies the coin with no grade provided because they were not a grading service. This is explained in the text on the back of the slab.

Actually they didn't. The Aston P O Box on the INS 6 slab was Charles Hoskins address at the time of his death. The Philadelphia PA PO Box was also Hoskins. Apparently after INS closed down in Washington DC, Hoskins moved to PA and took INS with him.

 

Conder101, posted: "The INS 6 is important and impressive. It isn't unique, that is now the second specimen. The first was pictured on page 169 in my book back in 2003. Yours has a lower serial number than the one I pictured. I don't own the first one, but I do know where it is. (I can't afford a proof 1849 half cent)

The Coin Vault piece is NOT a grading service. It is also pictured in my book in the Miscellaneous section, pages 414 and 415. Coin Vault was a service from the late 1980's that would encapsulate coins for people who had photocertificate certified coins, of for added protection of coins. It comes in two varieties, the firs tfor photocertified coins where it identifies the company that did the certification and the grade THAT company gave the coin. The second variety just identifies the coin with no grade provided because they were not a grading service. This is explained in the text on the back of the slab.


Actually they didn't. The Aston P O Box on the INS 6 slab was Charles Hoskins address at the time of his death. The Philadelphia PA PO Box was also Hoskins. Apparently after INS closed down in Washington DC, Hoskins moved to PA and took INS with him."

No mystery here. That's what I posted. Hoskins moved INSAB to PA where he continued operations with a PA address on the label. As I wrote, I had no idea he changed the original INS logo, color of the insert, and came up with the name "coin capsule." As for the appearance of a "sell-out," the INS name is being used on a self-sealed holder (?) under the Coin Vault name for an ungraded coin. I believe Robert Paul could answer this as he was the owner of the "plastic" used at INS.

The International Numismatic Society was composed of a group of US, ancient, and foreign coin dealers - mostly located in the US. They held several conventions and added a coin grading service to the authentication service several months before the ANA began grading coins. I believe the Society was basically defunct when Hoskins moved as the establishment of PCGS and NGC sucked away much of his business.

 

It would be interesting to ask, since the 2-chamber style used by INS & others clearly engineers around the Accugrade 3-chamber patent, filed in 1987 and granted in 1989.

https://patents.google.com/patent/US4878579A/en

 

Yes! Circa early-mid 1970's.

 

I agree. 65

 

Is that Dave guy that only saves that year Morgan’s or something like that. Think he’s the guy to ask. @Dave Waterstraat Think he gave me my only Morgan. Whatever he guesses I’d lay money on it

 

That sucks

 

I know your a fine guesser but I laid my cash on @Dave Waterstraat pay up cuz he beat many with his guess. But I couldn’t miss a sure thing

 

So glad for you

 

Yes, that was me that gave you a Morgan Dollar. While I collect all years of Morgan Dollars my primary interest is 1883-O.

 

That was a great read thread. Thanks members

 

I knew it was an O mint too. I was close. Sorta. I’ve got to remember you better. I remember our conversation well but can’t remember your name. I got it now. And thanks for my 83O Morgan

 

You're welcome!

 

I think even today it’s a solid 65. Even for A 80-s. Good eye appeal too. Pl tough call not in hand has a chance

 

Oh I know. I’ve lost a few friends to opiates and very worried about a couple other praying they get clean. It’s not a good thing

 

Dave knows his Morgans

 

Add in many more series,
I am pretty sure he has a cool series of Mercs.