Denarius of Vitellius pickup

It’s not bunk, AncientJoe just agreed with it too!

He said expecting American coin dealers to be experts in ancients is like expecting a car dealer to be an expert in Morgan Dollars.

If you took your raw ancient coins down the street to the nearest dealer do you really think they could identify them as authentic?

 

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You said "raw coins from dealers" without qualifying "raw coins from US dealers". Raw ancient coins from reputable ancient dealers are trustworthy; raw ancient coins from US dealers who don't have an ancient subspecialty might require deeper scrutiny.

 

You said "dealers," not "US dealers" or "random coin stores." There are scores of dealers who specialize in ancients just a mouse click or two away. That's why what you said is bunk.

 

Well yeah I was referring to US dealers because that’s what most dealers are.

Like in my experience every local dealer I’ve been to is a U.S. dealer with minimal experience in ancients.

I’m not saying that dealers with expertise in ancients don’t exist but you’d certainly have to go out of your way to find one.

 

Ever heard of V Coins? Biddr? CNG? Roma?

 

I said “most dealers” not all dealers.

If I went on Google and searched for a dealer near me I wouldn’t find any who are experts in ancients.

So I think it is fair and accurate to say most dealers don’t have that expertise.

But that’s not the same as all dealers don’t have that experience.

 

Yup! But all of those are online so they don’t count as local dealers. I believe VCoins is actually a marketplace not a dealer.

From what I’ve seen it looks like dealers use Vcoins to sell their coins through it.

 

Hasn't this topic been beaten to death already?

Really. Give it a rest.

 

I’m not going to avoid the subject if someone mentions it. I’m going to give my opinion on it of course. He mentioned the benefit of slabs so I agreed.

Please don’t come to my posts just to look for conflicts to start.

 

Please don't spam and troll our board with an overly rehashed topic that you've been perpetually arguing about for almost the entire duration that you've been a contributor here.

I see that you went ahead and even started a new thread about TPGs on here as well.

Please stop.
TIA.

 

Yes I have always been honest with anyone who asks my opinion on the matter the entire time I’ve been here.

That is my right and I will continue to share my opinion on the matter with anyone who asks.

That is my right.

No one is forcing you to read my posts.

You seem to have a habit of coming to my threads and posting something snarky or sarcastic to provoke me into an argument and derail my threads from stuff about coins into petty squabbling.

This post is about a denarius of Vitellius. Not TPGs or slabs.

I know drama and conflict is entertaining but it only hurts people and brings no benefit except for entertaining a few people who enjoy creating it and spreading it because they like to see it.

 

Nobody in this thread asked you about your opinion on slabs.

This thread was a fine thread, until YOU derailed it; arguing about your preference for slabs.

Please don't gaslight me, when I'm the one asking you to discontinue arguing TPGs and slabs on this board. It seems like a large majority of your threads on here are about TPGs and slabs, or they eventually devolve into confrontational arguments about them.

I know that I can speak for more than a few members here. Most ancient collectors do not care about TPGs or slabs nearly as much as you do. In fact, there are many that view TPGs and slabs as somewhat of a detriment to the hobby. Your insistence on continuously arguing and spamming the board about TPGs and slabs is disruptive to the enjoyment of the board for myself and others.

You already know this.

 

That's only true if you exclude online dealers. There are dozens of them with a great deal of expertise. Yes, VCoins is a platform, but that's not the point. It's composed of many different dealers, many of whom specialize in ancients. The wonders of the Internet! And in major cities like NYC and Chicago, there are certainly some "brick and mortar" stores that have expertise with respect to ancient coins.

 

Blake, you must know that's nonsense, and only true if you're buying ancient coins from US coin dealers!

And I do have to agree with @Herodotus that you introduced the topic of slabs to this thread.

 

I guess I kicked this off by saying that I am disinterested in collecting graded slabbed coins, of course this is only my opinion and this may not be shared by others but I guess if you seek the truth you shouldn’t hold an opinion....

 

Well I mean I live in the US so I thought it was pretty obvious that I was referring to American coin dealers.

Its kind of like if someone asked what the purity of a Silver Eagle is and someone else said .999 and I replied “No!! Only American Silver Eagles made at the US Mint are .999! You didn’t say US Mint Silver Eagles! You just said Silver Eagles!”

That shouldn’t need to be stated. It should be obvious that the person is referring to US Mint Silver Eagles just like it should be obvious I was referring to American coin dealers not Chinese or European ones.

I am not going to get into an argument but the last thing I’m going to say is that you can agree with him that I brought it up first all you want. That is your choice. But anyone who looks at the entire conversation with out being biased against me can clearly see that’s just not true.

Unfortunately people like Herodotus and their incitement of drama and conflict for the sake of entertainment is exactly why a few people here are biased against me, which is why I have the right to respond harshly to the lies that people like him spread.

I shouldn’t have to be defending myself by finding all the proof as people should be looking at this stuff before they make accusations or agree with Herodotus but just for the sake of shutting down his lies for good I will share this to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that he is lying to create drama and conflict.

Apparently no one bothered to look at it before they jumped on the bandwagon of supporting Herodotus because if they had they would never have agreed with him that I brought up the topic of slabs as the evidence clearly proves that is not true.


Daffyd shared his opinion on slabs with me. I replied to him with my own thoughts on the matter in case he didn’t know my thoughts on the matter and then we moved on.

Herodotus ignored the first part of that and figured he could cause a little bit of conflict by pretending I was reigniting the debate regarding slabs and he did so because he doesn’t really have much else to do apparently and thought it would cause drama.

And he did! As evidenced by the fact you agreed with him despite the clear evidence I’ve posted above that he was dead wrong.


The fact is Herodotus has a long history of coming to my threads and trying to cause drama with snarky or sarcastic or insulting comments.

I am no longer going to be victimized and harassed by him. I’ve put up with it long enough with dignity and grace but no more!


Hence the reason I put him on ignore for lying and trying to stir up drama.

 

Nah it’s fine I know you didn’t mean to cause any issues.

The only one to blame is Herodotus for having a regular habit of coming to my threads to find some reason to complain about what I say.

He didn’t even bother to see if I was the one who started the talk about slabs or not because that’s not what matters to him. He just wanted to cause drama because it entertains him to see the forums gang up on somebody.

Apparently he even managed to fool Donna which is surprising because it’s not that difficult to find proof he is wrong and I am right like I did above..so I’m shocked she didn’t bother to look and see what I was replying to before jumping on the bandwagon but maybe she is just trying to avoid becoming one of Herodotus’s targets herself.

I can’t imagine anyone wanting to deal with his nonsense and eagerness to create conflict on the forums.

That’s why I refuse to back down to him because he needs to realize that it only brings negativity to the forums.

 

By US coin dealers, I meant dealers specializing in US coins, not dealers located in the US! Just like when I say "ancient Roman coin dealers," I don't mean dealers located in ancient Rome. So your comment misses my point.

 

Obviously I didn't look carefully enough. Nothing more complicated than that. And I'm sorry.