I had a vision: LAETITIA AVG N

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Ocatarinetabellatchitchix, May 4, 2022.

  1. Ocatarinetabellatchitchix

    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Well-Known Member

    The three most sought after and « not often seen » types for all Victorinus’ coins collectors are COMES AVG, MARS VICTOR and LAETITIA AVG N. If you see one in auctions, please get your wallet ready… Since I’m not willing to spend more than 500 $ when one specimen comes for sale, I have to hope for a miracle to be able to get one of these (I already have a MARS VICTOR). But it happened. I was browsing through Ebay like I do every morning when I had a vision: a nice « crooked nose » Victorinus, with a weak strike reverse, but surprisingly correctly attribute to LAETITIA AVG N… from a French seller not specialized in coins…for 17 € shipping included. I have never seen one for sale, and I can’t find a trace of a sale in the last 20 years. And then the vision wasn’t over: I saw the big button BUY IT NOW… Let’s stop there cause you can easily imagine what I did. Before showing you my new baby, I have to add that the BM owns 5 examples: one is from Cunetio, one from Normanby and another specimen from Blackmoor hoard. Oxford has one too, and the American Numismatic Society believe they have 3 of them; here they are:

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    Sorry but this is a AEQVITAS reverse or PROVIDENTIA, you can clearly see the cornucopia at the right of the character…

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    Sorry but it’s a PIETAS reverse, look at the altar…

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    Sorry but it’s Tetricus I, absolutely not Victorinus’ nose…


    Those one are real one from the British Museum, all from the same obverse die (as well as mine) except the first one, and there’s only one reverse die known.

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    Blackmoor Hoard 2.12g

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    3.36g

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    3.24g

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    Normanby Hoard 3.03g

    And this is my new bargain:

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    LAETITIA AVG N Trier mint
    18mm 2.52g Mairat 631

    Please feel free to post your LAETITIA coins or your VISION coins !
     
    Last edited: May 4, 2022
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  3. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Wow, what a pickup!

    I didn't realize those reverses were so rare. I'd say you got an astounding deal.

    Here's my favorite Laetitia, of Quintillus. Disgusting flan, but endearing.
    Quintillus RIC 22.JPG

    And here's my rarest Victorinus. Unlike 99% of the V's I've seen, this retains 90% of the bright original silvering. Amazing.
    Victorninus RIC 109 silvered.JPG
     
  4. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Wow, what a deal, @Ocatarinetabellatchitchix! It's not an overstatement to say that your example is the finest known!! Coingratulations!

    This denarius is a new addition to my numophylacium Faustinae.

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    Faustina II, AD 147-175.
    Roman AR denarius, 3.19 g, 18.1 mm, 5 h.
    Rome, late AD 162 - early 163.
    Obv: FAVSTINA AVGVSTA, draped bust right, Beckmann type 7 hairstyle and wearing stephane.
    Rev: LAETITIA, Laetitia standing right, holding scepter and wreath.
    Refs: RIC 702 var. (stephane); BMCRE 127-128; RSC 152c; RCV --; MIR 22-4/10b diad.; CRE 199.

    You'll notice this coin is a mirror image to the usual reverse type, which depicts Laetitia standing left, holding wreath and scepter.

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    Faustina II, AD 147-175.
    Roman AR denarius, 3.41 g, 18.7 mm, 11 h.
    Rome, late AD 162 - early 163.
    Obv: FAVSTINA AVGVSTA, draped bust right, Beckmann type 7 hairstyle and wearing stephane.
    Rev: LAETITIA, Laetitia standing left, holding wreath and scepter.
    Refs: RIC 701; BMCRE 129-131; Cohen 148; RCV --; MIR 21-4/10b diad.; CRE 198.
     
  5. Ocatarinetabellatchitchix

    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Well-Known Member

    Under Victorinus, the first issues in both mints had an average silver content of c. 3.3% with a further reduction to c. 1.1% during his last issue (two years later) at both mints. On your coin, all the silver was surely on the top layer !

    Thanks for sharing RC. I had forgotten about this type of reversed reverse…
     
  6. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

  7. thejewk

    thejewk Well-Known Member

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    Here's my duo of Allectus Laetitia coins. Nice ebay hunting!
     
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  8. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Great pickup, @Ocatarinetabellatchitchix - I really enjoy "good hunting" stories like yours. Nice coin too.

    I do not have that coin (of course!) but here is a Gordian III with LAETITIA AVG N reverse. It comes with and without a dot before the "N." Not sure what the N stands for, and until this post I thought it was a Gordian-only legend.

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    Gordian III Antoninianus
    (241-243 A.D.)
    Rome Mint (4th Issue)

    IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG, radiate, cuirassed and draped bust right / LAETITIA AVG N, Laetitia standing left, holding wreath and anchor.
    RIC 86; RSC 121; RCV 8617.
    (3.33 grams / 21 mm)
    eBay Sep. 2018
     
  9. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    I have a few attractice Laetitias from Gallienus as well. Dime a dozen, these are, but they are pretty!

    This Antioch issue has AVGG which is kinda cool.
    Gallienus Antioch.JPG

    I like these two Milanese ones for their expressive portraits and lanky goddesses on the back.
    Gallienus AR Ant RIC Milan 489.JPG
    Gallienus RIC Milan 489.JPG
     
  10. Harry G

    Harry G Well-Known Member

    I wonder who was hired to attribute those ANS coins lol.

    Amazing find! Your heart must have been racing as you clicked the "buy it now" button (waiting for the payment to go through before someone else snaps it up). I second that yours is the finest known example.

    Here's my rarest (barbarous) antoninianus of Victorinus, in completely terrible condition, but with FORTVNA AVG reverse.
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    A much better AEQVITAS AVG antoninianus of Victorinus (with Marius features)
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    FIDES MILITVM
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  11. Ocatarinetabellatchitchix

    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Well-Known Member

    Abbreviation of : Laetitia Augusti Nostri - Joy of our Emperor.
     
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  12. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Thank you!
     
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