Need help to ID

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  1. Abramthegreat

    Abramthegreat Well-Known Member

    Based off of the reverse with the harp it's Irish, on the front it looks like a horse head facing left. But I can't find any old Irish coins with that description... anyone know anything I don't? Thank you in advance :)
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  3. Abramthegreat

    Abramthegreat Well-Known Member

    sorry the bottom picture is rotated let me fix that...
     

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  4. Hiddendragon

    Hiddendragon World coin collector

    My first thought is Irish half penny but it's hard to tell.
     
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  5. Abramthegreat

    Abramthegreat Well-Known Member

    I thought it could be, but I couldn't find any with a horse head facing left on the obverse
     
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  7. Abramthegreat

    Abramthegreat Well-Known Member

    Thank you! I will check...
     
  8. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    My guess was some sort of token as well. Many used the harp symbol.
    Do you have a weight and diameter?
    I'm not really seeing a horse head on the obverse.
    Can you confirm the orientation of the obverse using the harp?
    I think most of these tokens used coin alignment.
    Early Canada tokens use a lot of different motifs, but I can't remember seeing any with a horse on the front. Since that's where the ruler's portrait usually goes, I imagine replacing it with a horse might cause offense to the king!
    Early Canada Tokens Brock 1816 Trade 1825, Lower 1833.jpg
     
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  9. Abramthegreat

    Abramthegreat Well-Known Member

    sure, one second
     
  10. Abramthegreat

    Abramthegreat Well-Known Member

    Keep in mind this is a well worn whatever-it-is
    Diameter is 1in. weight: 3.7 grams
    when checking the orientation would I check like I would American coins or like I would Canadian?
     
  11. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    By coin orientation, I meant flip it from the harp side top to bottom (coin orientation) rather than side to side (medal orientation). True some Canadian
    coins use medal orientation, but most of the tokens I spot checked on Numista were listed as coin alignment.
    3.7 g and ~25 mm is a reasonable size for a half penny token.
    About the same as this one, for example. It may well have been a good part of a gram heavier when it was new.
     
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  12. Abramthegreat

    Abramthegreat Well-Known Member

    Yes orientation is pretty close
     
  13. Abramthegreat

    Abramthegreat Well-Known Member

    Do you need me to take some pictures from a different angle?
     
  14. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    Would be nice to see the front in even lighting, but I'm nut sure if it will help.
    The top and top right look vaguely floral or botanical to me.
     
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  16. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Yes, definitely the Irish (Hibernia) harp, and so likely a 17th or 18th century copper, but whether Irish halfpenny or Canadian token, I cannot say.
     
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  17. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Wait... I think I see GEORGIVS on the obverse (the side opposite the harp). Which means a King George copper. That puts it post-1714. So essentially from the 1700s.

    I think it's an Irish halfpenny, or a contemporary counterfeit of one.
     
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  18. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Something similar to this, though it might not be George II like the one I just linked to.

    The "horse head" aspect of the obverse portrait is a bit of a mirage/false lead, I think, based on the corrosion and the contours of the coin. That's George's head there (one of the Georges, anyway), though he's not terribly recognizable due to the condition of the coin.
     
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  19. Abramthegreat

    Abramthegreat Well-Known Member

    Okay, Thanks! It kind of looked like a horse head but I wasn't sure due to condition.
     
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