GTG - 1795 Flowing Hair Dollar

Hello,

I would be happy to hear your guesses on grade and any other feedback on the photos of the coin in general

Thanks!

 

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Your Photos are large enough and clear enough just a little too bright. I'll give it a VF-25

 

VF30

 

I would have to see the rim, as my first thought is cast fake...by the way I'm no expert.

 

It’s not a half dollar; it’s a silver dollar. I can tell right away be the “bar” behind Ms. Liberty’s head, which is characteristic of a variety I owned years ago.

Having said that, the sharpness is VF-20, but the color is quite light, which appears to be from an old cleaning. Many of these coins have been cleaned so that might not disqualify it from a straight grade.

 

VF20 and when they cleaned it they missed the spots in the B. I don't think it will straight-grade.

 

I think they are pretty lenient when grading a coin this old. VF-20 seems about right. Expensive coin in this grade.

 

I like it at VF-25, but I'd be concerned, what was said above, that it would come back details.

 

I'll be different and say EF cleaned

 

Not familiar with this coin. Since no value is on either side it must be on the rim and therefore I would like to see the writing on the edge of the coin. It looks to have had a cleaning many, many years ago but toning back to be more natural.

 

VF-35 straight grade.

 

not enough detail to go above VF 30 the hair and right wing are just to worn unless if its in a old fatty etc im going with VF 25 with a chance of being a details coin.

 

Yes, this is a dollar, not a half dollar. I assume the OP is contemplating buying this coin so my comments are addressed primarily around that possibility.

A solid 25 in sharpness. Nice detail left on this coin and it only has a couple of minor rim dings to detract other than my condition comments below. I think the coin is genuine. This is the BB-27 die marriage which was struck up a bit better than other varieties which caused the hair and eagle breast feathers to wear a bit more for an equal degree of preservation which might cause the TPG to give the coin a little more leeway in grading than a different variety. But, in my opinion, not enough to raise the sharpness to 30 from 25.

This is the most common of the 1795 Flowing Hair die marriages. Bowers estimates 2500 to 3500 BB-27s surviving in all grades.

This coin has, to my eye at least, pretty obviously been cleaned. But that's not my main concern. The fields appear far too blemish-free for the grade suggesting that this coin might have been smoothed, particularly on the obverse. It's only a suspicion mind you since I'm not skilled, experienced or knowledgeable enough to give a credible opinion. But if I was submitting to a TPG, I would be much more concerned about a "Details-Altered Surfaces" finding than I would about a "Details-Cleaned" finding. That uncertainty would figure into my calculations for a purchase offer.

This is also an expensive coin: PCGS lists a value of $8250 in VF-25 and Greysheet calls it $4000 in VF-20 and $9500 in XF-40, so call it $6000.

In February, Heritage auctioned two 1795 BB-27s in VF, one cleaned and the other straight-graded VF-20, for $3600 and $5640 respectively.

Prices of Flowing Hair dollars, IMO, are unwarranted given the quantity surviving but I know it's all about supply and demand. Plus, the prices for Flowing Hairs have gone way up over the last two years.

Worth less than those ranges because it's raw and with the issues and questions I've raised.

Now, if the coin is already in the OP's possession, I would send it in for authentication, grading and TPG photos. Even if it comes back details, being in a slab will give peace of mind and improve marketability. And, if the OP does not want to keep it in a slab for whatever reason, crack it out and keep the slab for records and maybe a future owner. If it is cracked out, the TPG photos will help establish authenticity for a future buyer.

 

If what I seeing is there (2 dots on the neck) she is a "vampire" fake similar to the one I have... One of our guys did an article about these recently...


found it...
https://www.cointalk.com/threads/1795-bust-silver-dollar-real-or-fake.206949/

 

I grade it VF20 to VF25.
The 1795 B-5 "Bar" variety, R-1. This is the most common variety for the type.
Great pictures by the way!

Very similar to mine, same variety, B-5:

 

not a flowing hair dollar shown in vampire thread

 

Different type.

 

For those not familiar with the series, the B5 is the same as the BB-27. The "B" designation is for Milferd H. Bolender who in 1950 updated the earlier Hazeltine work. Hence the "B" for Bolender.

Q. David Bowers and Mark Borckardt rearranged the numbering sequence and numerical designations in 1993 hence the "BB" for Bowers-Borckardt.

 

I think VF25 sharpness. caveats as noted by others. I agree it looks genuine.

 

VF35 details on the strength of the reverse, looks over dipped.