Do you have an EXPLANATION ?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Ocatarinetabellatchitchix, Apr 26, 2022.

  1. Ocatarinetabellatchitchix

    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Well-Known Member

    I’m not very intelligent, you already know that. That’s why I need your help. I just don’t understand. How could a coin, a « nice » Domitian forgery, be on the market and sold once in January, then again for sale by the same dealer in March (and sold again), and in April the same specimen reappears again ( same coin, same weight and size, same picture and description)… Please someone enlighten me !

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  3. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Stock photos?
    I don't know much about forgeries or Lanz (besides that are forgeries) but if they are willing to sell fakes, I wouldn't be surprised if they just use a same stock photo for the coin you are supposed to receive.
    Just my 2 denarii.
     
  4. Harry G

    Harry G Well-Known Member

    I would guess the buyers of the coin failed to read the description, and, after realising it was a modern fake, filed a return, with Lanz then relisting the coin (with the fact that it's fake highlighted in red).
     
  5. GinoLR

    GinoLR Well-Known Member

    These forgeries have been manufactured in huge quantities, and sold one by one?
     
  6. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    My guess as well. Multiple identical copies. He uses a 3D printer in his basement!
     
  7. Heliodromus

    Heliodromus Well-Known Member

    Maybe shill bidding - keep "reselling" it until a real bidder steps up with an acceptable price ?
     
  8. thejewk

    thejewk Well-Known Member

    Modern forgery, rated VF. Come again?
     
  9. Marsman

    Marsman Well-Known Member

    I sent an email to Lanz a few weeks ago that I think it’s a very bad idea that they started selling forgeries. They don’t sell them as genuine but some buyers (very) probably will do so. Some of those coins can easily deceive newbies.

    Of course no answer so far …..

    I think it’s a shame for once a reputable dealer to sink so low to make a few bucks :rage:
     
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  10. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    Started? He's been doing it for many years. What he started only recently was admitting it.
     
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  11. akeady

    akeady Well-Known Member

    I believe Lanz sold the company a couple of years ago, though it still bears the name.

    ATB,
    Aidan.
     
  12. Dwarf

    Dwarf Active Member

    His complete library was sold this year by another Munich-based auction house
     
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  13. romismatist

    romismatist Well-Known Member

  14. sand

    sand Well-Known Member

    It's possible, that the coin was sold, then returned, then sold again, then returned again, as related to what @Harry G was discussing.
    Or, as @furryfrog02 mentioned, perhaps Lanz is using the same photo, to sell multiple copies of the fake coin. Perhaps the coin copies are so similar in appearance, that Lanz thinks, that he can re-use the same photo, to sell mutiple coin copies. I'll never buy a coin from Lanz, that's for sure.
    I agree with @Marsman that it is bad, to sell fakes of ancient coins, even if the listing indicates that the coins are fake. Because, people can buy the fakes, and then sell the fakes, without telling customers that the coins are fakes. There are enough fakes floating around, for anyone who wants to study fakes, in my opinion. It's not helpful, to sell even more fakes, in my opinion.
    Frank Robinson does this also. He sells fakes in his auctions, and indicates that the coins are fakes. Each such listing says "COPY". Here's page 2 from his most recent auction, with 3 COPY coins for auction.
    http://www.fsrcoin.com/g.html
    I don't like that. I'll never buy a coin from Frank Robinson.
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    Last edited: Apr 26, 2022
  15. Tejas

    Tejas Well-Known Member

    But they (whoever that is) are still using the original Lanz-Ebay account. I'm still blocked from buying from Lanz since I pointed out forgeries to Dr. Hubert Lanz himself some 5 years ago.
     
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