Bad metal? Denarius

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  1. Steelers72

    Steelers72 Well-Known Member

    Wondering what’s going on with the surface/metal of this particular denarius.
    Is it degenerative in nature? Particularly top left of bust and right side of reverse.

    Appreciate any comments or thoughts.
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  3. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    Size and weight would help. Could be a fourée. I have a fourée Denarius of Claudius... who I assume this is, but with so little detail I can't offer much help.
     
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  4. The Meat man

    The Meat man Well-Known Member

    Can't tell you what's going on with the metal, but that's a really nice portrait of Claudius!
     
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  5. Steelers72

    Steelers72 Well-Known Member

    Not mine, but apparently it is 18x19mm and weighs 3.64g. Appreciate your insight
     
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  6. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Prolonged contact with a copper object while buried?
     
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  7. Steelers72

    Steelers72 Well-Known Member

    Would’ve never guessed that - maybe you’re right though. It seems like something ate at/is eating at the metal?
    Or maybe a messy strike?
    Not sure..
     
  8. Abramthegreat

    Abramthegreat Well-Known Member

    Either way, Nice pics! :)
     
  9. akeady

    akeady Well-Known Member

    It does look quite grainy around the edges - this is normally called crystallisation and you should handle it with care as it will be brittle and prone to erosion at the edges.

    Here's an example of a coin of mine with something similar, though more severe:
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    ATB,
    Aidan.
     
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  10. Ryro

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  11. Steelers72

    Steelers72 Well-Known Member

    Thank you and for the comparison. Very helpful
     
  12. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Other that the brittleness of the OP coin, it is very nice in detail. I have no idea why mine was broken as this is the way I purchased it. Perhaps the same kind of metal deterioration. The weight of OP coin is in line with my example.

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    CLAUDIUS
    AR Denarius
    OBVERSE: TI CLAVD CAESAR AVG P M TR P VI IMP XI, laureate head right
    REVERSE: PACI AVGVSTAE, Pax-Nemesis advancing right, drawing out fold of robe at neck, holding caduceus above serpent preceding her
    Struck at Rome, 46/7AD
    3.6g, 19mm
    RIC39, BMC40
     
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  13. Clavdivs

    Clavdivs Well-Known Member

    My exact thought... wow!!! I am so mesmerized by that portrait that I see NOTHING wrong with that coin....
     
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  14. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    While it might not be fourree, is it official? The style, especially the reverse, does not strike me as 'normal' but I am no expert on the type. I only have one and it is most definitely fourree.
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    Perhaps it is just a matter of the market listing any denarius of Claudius but it seems that about half sold have been fourree and some that are not were not of the best silver. I had been led to believe that denarii before Nero's mid-reign debasement were better than this. It becomes obvious that there is good reason that really nice coins in fine style are expensive.
     
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