Repaired or Counterfeit 1871-CC Quarter?

Discussion in another forum...

1871-CC with obvious damage sold previously had a lookalike sell in another venue.





The raging question is if the coin on the right is the same example after repairs?

 

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okay, this will take a moment.

If you look a the two almost parallel scratches - from the 7 up to the leg, now look at the 'other' coin.

I can see traces of that same position scratch at the top leg down to the left. And below to the top of the rock.
Plus the 'stain' above the 8, looks like it could have been smoothed to remove that scratch.

Strange, but the 7 looks okay, but it may be a masterful job of repair. Emphasis on 'May be'.
Me thinks it is a repair job

 

No.

 

I vote yes. Look at the ding in the middle vertical line in the shield. There's also two on the left side of the shield on the reverse of the coin. click on the pic to enlarge.

 

I see enough to say "yes." But is it the same coin, or source coin for a counterfeit?

 

After looking close I think the right coin is a masterful counterfeit made from the source coin

 

I am thinking source coin - too much of the abuse (dings and such - especially around the rim) are missing on the 2nd coin. Why the "O" in dollar and 2nd mint mark "C" on the reverse were not fixed on the counterfeit die is a mystery.

 

I'm thinking source coin and counterfeit as well.

 

Maybe @justafarmer can do an overlay to see how well they line-up!

Point of interest, the damaged example was removed from the PCGS slab after the Heritage sale and sent to SEGS prior to an Aug 2021 auction...

 

At this time that would be a problem. My computer carrying my CAD System crashed. Currently being analyzed by technicians to see if it can be revived. Didn't lose much data - almost all my CAD Drawings were also arcived to a flash drive. I am sure there are a few that hadn't been archived. But I do have worries. My CAD system computer ran XP as the operating system. If forced to a new system I may encounter a file compatibility problem with my archived files.

 

@Jack D. Young what auction site sold it (the original) in the SEGS holder? From the CU forum (where I'm banned) the doctored/fake coin sold April 16 for $16000 on Proxibid via Gold Standard Auctions. Seems like whoever sold it in the SEGS holder might have some, uh, connection to the second doctored/fake coin. I'm agreeing with @justafarmer and others that the second example is a fake made from a doctored transfer die - the rims and other dings indicate it's not the exact same coin. I wonder if reporting to Proxibid would do anything, since it was just sold 4 days ago. I also wonder how long before we see another example with the same PUPs, or if this was a one-off. $16k is a tidy profit.

 

@KBBPLL : https://www.invaluable.com/auction-...1-cc-seated-liberty-quarter--164-c-6ab43ffa52

 

Then the answer is "yes", it is the same example after repairs, but it is counterfeit?

 

Mr. Young, wasn't the original purchaser of the PCGS piece "reimbursed"?

There was a gossip line for a while, that the piece went to a certain Chicagoan, prior to the SEGS encapsulation.

 

No - the coins are not the same. The thinking is the damaged coin may be the source coin used to make counterfeit dies which struck the other coin

 

I know this... (see my previous answer). I am asking KBBPLL if that is what he meant, by the 2 somewhat different posts. The answer to the OP question can't be both.

 

Sounds interesting. I like gossip about somebody who might have made a $16k counterfeit. Tell us more!

I don't know anything about this coin, nor have I ever held any seated liberty quarter, let alone a 1871-CC quarter. Initially I was pointing out features demonstrating that it's the "same" coin, but then I became convinced that others were correct - the original coin became a doctored die that produced a fake.

 

I hadn't heard this @charley ; would be interested in more details!

 

Well it’s about time you did. Lol. Seated liberty coins are highly addictive. I’ve never had or held a 71-cc but have had a ton of seated quarters. One of my regrets was selling my monster toned 76-cc when I needed money a few years ago

 

I think a case can be made for either a repaired coin, or a transfer die counterfeit. would like to know how the coin ends up.