2020 doubled die amazing shield cent

I think you neglected the part

(The red is my doing.) So this would fall under a one-time situation and due to a operator influencing the die strike, so it seems like a mint operators intentional act.
I think there are other names for such an act... and you are expecting more such to show up in the future? Ok. I still think several involved are only monetarily worried., Jim

 

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It's a freak and hardly illustrative of these single-press "doubled dies."

 

I'm glad to see you agree the single squeeze 2009D DC quarter is similar to the old doubled hub methods and no "skipping" was involved.

Can you prove the old doubled hubbed varieties occurred on the first or second hubbing? Did the working hub "skip" to produce the doubling (like you are suggesting it does on the single squeeze)? Of course not. The doubling, however it occurred, is on the die. And that is exactly what a doubled die is. Doubling on the working die that is caused by the working hub striking it multiple times.

Hmmm ... to re-phrase a quote from earlier in this thread: Maybe the old double hubbed coins are exploited as a variety because it's on the die imparted there as a consequence of the double-hubbing.

BTW-I've heard that before we modern (1955 to the present) variety enthusiasts came along, most numismatists considered varieties undesirable because they considered them "damaged" dies and not worthy of their time. I also think I heard variety collecting took off after the 1955 DDO-001 Lincoln cent was discovered. Has anyone else heard these stories?

 

I’ve heard similar stories but mostly referring to error coins like in the 60’s & 70’s where collectors and dealers did not want anything to do with them bc they thought of them as mint damage.
And not collectible. Funny huh
Now errors r highly collectible it’ll always happen.
If proven doubled die or not whatever the major shield doubled dies I’ll say (whatever a person wants to call it insert it here) in 60 years will be sought after if considered a doubled die then, or another name in the future instead they’ll be desired. Maybe not my example but some of the others.

 

Here read this article .
http://www.lincolncentforum.com/forum/showthread.php?45697-Double-Die-single-squeeze-hub/page2

 

This thread asks the right questions, Rick, and kudos to you for linking to it. As to our inquisitive friend Cliff on my use of the term "skip," note this description in one of the replies: "As for DDs in the single squeeze era the working hub or working die jumping and making the DD is one theory on why it occurs..." Then grab yourself some sense, Cliff. Thanks.

 

I came across this a few days ago actually it was a nice read

 

That was and is an excellent thread confirming doubled dies in the single squeeze hubbing process.

LOL. I am inquisitive at that.
I now ask you if you agree with this thread in the link confirming doubled dies are created by the single squeeze method.
Here's #10 for you by GrumpEd and the Underlining and bold is by this inquisitive soul.
(I Hope he is doing ok): are by me.

"You are confusing the main point. ....

The whole definition of a "doubled die" is that the die itself is doubled when the die is made. The die is then used to make thousands and thousands of coins so a doubled die will make duplicate doubled coins as long as it is used, there is no double striking when the coins are made. That is why doubled dies are a variety not an error, everything went fine when it was struck (no strike error) .....

I hope that makes sense, the thing here is that doubled dies make real doubled die (die variety) coins, regular dies that bounce make strike doubled (minor error) coins. ......
But you are talking about how a coin die (not a coin) can become doubled when the die is made with single squeeze. ....

Single squeeze is the die making method not the coin making/striking method."

If you're not interested and don't want to collect them, fine and dandy. But grab some more common sense for yourself since your passing it around and don't mislead collectors that are trying to get a handle on this great hobby. We don't need misinformation and more confusion.

Others have mentioned in this thread that there are no "real" doubled dies created in the single squeeze method. That is pure and simple bull hockey as proven by the fact that there are at least 4 attribution sites out there for modern doubled die coins.

If you don't agree with Variety Vista, Copper Coins, Doubled Dies, or CRDieVarieties then convince them. Until they agree, please stop spreading false misunderstandings on your part.

BTW- I went through Variety Vista and counted 18 (123 if you add all the 2015P NE Quarters) modern single squeeze varieties made after that "freaky" 2009D DC quarter. (Two class 6 and the rest are class 8 doubling) Those 18+ DDO/DDR varieties resembled the old double-hubbed varieties with strong separation and thickness. I'll PM the list to anyone that would like it and they can confirm the separation for themselves. Better yet, they can use the list to look for them and collect them.

 

The hobby is gonna change again and I think for the good, when ever that happens, I used to ride the fence on these so called, supposed new double dies that shouldn't be.

A little reminder, This is why we call them variety's.