2020 doubled die amazing shield cent

Quoted from Spark1951
“@Rick Stachowski has confirmed and that others also agree, that this is truly a listed doubled die at Wexler: WDDO-001.”

My example isn’t close to the 001 on wexlers I’ve got multiple of those comparing them no match already knew that but I will be sending it in with a few other older date doubled dies.

 

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Imho they are a total waste of time,as other variety collectors with years of experence chasing variety coins have stated. Nothing more than Machine doubling! As for Wexler well John has been incorrect before!....As well Dr. Wiles at Coneca....case in point the" Roosevelt hot lip dime. I stil have a letter stating in fact that my specimen was indeed a ddo.
And guess what...I also have the following letter that delist the variety.
And guess what else....the variety hot lip dime" was in fact on the cover of Error Scope Magizne, with not just 1 but two feature stories and write ups.
Not seeing anything but machine doubling, on a coin that has no added value then face ....1 cent.
Members here are free to believe or think what they choose, as well waste time chasing what they believe to be the next hotest variety....when that market is so soft that only the top ones are note worthy for a premium.
This image was the photo on the cover of Error Scope Magizne

http://varietyvista.com/Specialty Studies.htm

 

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that was good

 

As far as the Gorham's coin goes I see the extra thickness and some notching especially on the T.
The single squeeze method of producing dies technically should be considered a form of MD, except the doubling is not flat and shelf like.
I think there is a battle of old and new on this subject.
Either way we look at it the doubling is evident, no matter the process it took to get there.

 

I guess I made a mistake of buying more NLY shares last week ( PEratio 4.2) than ETSY ( PEratio 34.3), my bad We all have differing opinions on different things.

Jim

 

To each their own and maybe Lincoln's aren't your cup of tea but this coin exhibits lite "classic" hub doubling that is on modern Lincoln cents. The doubling is stronger than some varieties and weaker than others.(The bottom left "angled corners" of RTY on this example for instance is one diagnostic.)

IMHO, just because the doubling isn't strong enough for some or wasn't made the way they've always been made doesn't negate the fact that there is only one example of that working hub with that particular doubling.

Am I wrong or isn't a doubled die considered... a doubled ... working .... die!
(Or does the working die only qualify as doubled if the annealing process occurs between the multiple hubbings. Not from any research I've encountered.)

As for mechanical hub doubling .... really?
Please tell me what doubled hub isn't a form of mechanical doubling if that is what members use for their criteria? (If so, doubled die varieties don't really exist and I'll be really sad. )

Does anyone consider the multitude of 1972P DDO's a form of "mechanical hub doubling" and therefore invaluable? Many of these are very similar.
Or should the 2009 DC quarter with strong Ellington doubling be considered "Mechanical Hub doubling" as suggested? I wouldn't.

We, collectors, can truly be a strange group that feel it's ok to collect what we like with whatever tolerances we deem acceptable (or don't accept), but I guess it's gone on this way for millennia. Go figure.

I, for one, will keep collecting the established varieties and the modern ones as well, until the latter become the "established" ones (and "everyone" loves and agrees on).

BTW- IMHO, the driving force for most of us collectors is what we can afford when starting out. We adjust from there based on knowledge, interest, and finances.

DBTW- Scribble Dibbits said to say she agrees because, just like variety collectors, she loves everyone on her side of the fence as well. LOL

 

you got opinions on what and what your coin isn't now what you do with those opinions is up to you

 

There's no "opinion" about it. They're collecting mechanical doubling in the hubbing stage of the die as opposed to in the striking stage of the coin. That's the cause of these incongruities. A doubled die is twice-hubbed, not once-hubbed. These are how the single-hubbed dies look, though, and, as such, they repeat, and are collectible.

 

Here's a good thread on single squeeze .
https://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=393732
According to the thread most double dies are made because the hubbing process was stopped, and then rehubbed again at a later date .

 

Well, it might be a DDO in the eyes of some, but I think I'll spend more time watching for migratory birds in the backyard this spring than looking for these types of DDOs. JMHO.

Steve

 

Except it's not a doubled die because it's only squeezed once. It's more analogous to a hiccup than a doubled die. It's called a "doubled die" because who wants to admit they collect hiccups? It's exploited as an error because it's on the die imparted there as a consequence of the single-hubbing. Because of that, unlike with strike doubling, it repeats on every coin struck out on the hiccuped die. By rights these ought to be called HDs, for "hiccup doublings," because that's what they are. Variety Vista, you paying attention to this? Change the designation and quit mixing these up with real doubled dies.

 

Now what causes Small date/Large date Doubled Dies???
Do vibrations always go horizontal? why not vertical single strike damage also
like horiontal/rotational damage ( SSDD?)

 

What I see in this thread is a difference in definitions of what constitutes "doubling" and what constitutes "collectible." I definitely see the very minor "doubling" in the OP's coin, but how it should be defined is not my call, really. To each his own, as long as one does not become deceptive when trying to sell. Because it is reproduced on every coin struck by that die, it is different from the MD of a vibrating die. Still, while I consider such minor doubling, even if under the old two-press method, interesting, and might even put one in a 2x2, I would never pay a premium for it, nor burn too much time looking for it. But if someone else sees it differently and considers it treasure, who am I to say no? Personally, I would never pay a premium for any zincoln, because of the danger of it's corroding away in the future. But if someone else enjoys them, that's great!

 

Sorry, I don't see it either. Maybe it's the photos.

 

Let the record reflect that I don’t got anything against people who collect hiccups, that’s their business.

 

Aw very cute dog
You said a lot that I’ve thought but can never get it “down on paper” well type put in this case haha.
Appreciate ur response enjoyed reading it

 

Yea read that somewhere as well

 

Facts for sure I see what ur saying
Side note thing for conversation. I put this coin under the scope and it popped out to me like a sore thumb it was clear as day that’s just me. my eyes etc I guess the experiences searching shield cents and all one can notice a lot more

 

Def not the photos.
seems to be 50/50 with people (in general) not just here being able to see it or not.
Comes down to experience knowing what to look for on these coins.
For instance give me a “random memorial cent” (a ddr) I might not even spot it bc I don’t search them often or at all. my eyes aren’t trained to pick up on certain inconsistencies on those kinda coins