Not All Portrait Denarii of Charlemagne on eBay Are Fake

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  1. dltsrq

    dltsrq Grumpy Old Man

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  3. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    it looks like a fouree
     
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  4. dltsrq

    dltsrq Grumpy Old Man

    The purplish-black bits may be hornsilver rather than evidence of a base core. Hard to tell from this single low res photo.
     
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    dltsrq Grumpy Old Man

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  6. +VGO.DVCKS

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    Just. Hang on, for One Minute. Kind of amazing.
    @dltsrq, I'm intuitively thinking you're right about the possibility of horn silver, rather than @Victor_Clark's no less resonantly informed guess that it's a fouree. Bad as the pics are, it's looking as if the purply black bits are on the surface, rather than being spots of wear.
    ...And, as a detector find, it's already got provenance! Of the kind that does a summary end-run around anyone's collection. Given which, the level of restraint involved in the cleaning is truly admirable. I'm really liking this.
     
  7. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    It's nice to know that the family that owned the coin didn't get completely snookered by the coin selling for 25 Euros or anything like that. Still, what would a coin like that sell for if put up for auction by a major house after authentication? Probably a lot more than EUR 6,150.00.
     
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  8. dltsrq

    dltsrq Grumpy Old Man

    An example with an eroded portrait but intact sold for EUR 20,000 at Elsen against an estimate of EUR 5,000. The eBay auction opened at EUR 1.
    https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=1543&lot=332
     
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  9. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    For comparison, here's a picture of the specimen at the BnF in Paris, France

    Charlemagne.jpg

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  11. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Someone could have easily flipped that coin for multiple times.
     
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