I think this '91 CC Morgan is a cartoonish counterfeit

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Dynoking, Apr 3, 2022.

  1. Dynoking

    Dynoking Well-Known Member

    This coin is up for auction. I compared these pix to a "91 CC Morgan MS66+ on PCGS coin facts. I think the fonts are wrong, the stars are mush, the feathers on the arrows are silly looking, the MM appears to contact the O (Dollar), the ladies hair is lacking detailing unusual places, the date is just plain wrong. I could not down load the pictures from the auction web site. These are photographs from my laptop display of the sellers already poor photographs. I don't want to make a baseless accusation so I'm asking for opinions. Please describe your observations in your reply.
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  3. ifthevamzarockin

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  5. Dynoking

    Dynoking Well-Known Member

    Please describe what you see to make it fake. When I see crap like this I call it "cartoonish". Morgan experts will point out die marriage mis-matches. I'm not there, - yet. I want to report it but I need ammo. I'm pretty sure your are seeing what I'm seeing. If yes just say so. If you have something to add please do.
     
  6. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Totally counterfeit. First, it does not look like Silver—it has a dull, luster less look. Second, the date is incorrect in its spacing—the numbers are too close, and too small. Third, the stars on the obverse are blunted. Fourth, the feathers on the eagle’s wings are crudely engraved, and out of proportion. Fifth, the eagle’s head is too small. Sixth, the cc mintmark is improperly lined up—too small, crudely carved, and too close to the wreath. I would bet it is not struck, but cast.
     
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  7. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Good instincts
     
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  8. Dave Waterstraat

    Dave Waterstraat Well-Known Member

    The stars look like they came out of a box of Lucky Charms.
     
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  9. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    Instead of cotton leaves, I believe they are poison oak.
     
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  10. Dynoking

    Dynoking Well-Known Member

    Horse sense.
     
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  11. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    The problem is it’s a bad fake. This isn’t an example of a wrong die pair or some small detail is off. Just about every detail is wrong.
     
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  12. David Betts

    David Betts Elle Mae Clampett cruising with Dad

    x1 all of the above
     
  13. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    Obviously fake and not a good one.
     
  14. Dynoking

    Dynoking Well-Known Member

    I emailed the seller.

    I believe the 1891 CC Morgan Dollar Lot 4 April 6 is counterfeit for the following reasons;

    I compared these pix to a "91 CC Morgan MS66+ on PCGS coin facts. I think the fonts are wrong, the stars are mush, the feathers on the arrows are silly looking, the MM appears to contact the O (Dollar), the ladies hair is lacking detail in unusual places including diagonally right lower under the ear, the date is just plain wrong.
    Using your pictures I asked for other opinions from advanced Morgan collectors who concur with my observations;
    • First, it does not look like Silver—it has a dull, luster less look. Second, the date is incorrect in its spacing—the numbers are too close, and too small. Third, the stars on the obverse are blunted. Fourth, the feathers on the eagle’s wings are crudely engraved, and out of proportion. Fifth, the eagle’s head is too small. Sixth, the cc mintmark is improperly lined up—too small, crudely carved, and too close to the wreath. I would bet it is not struck, but cast.
    • The stars look like they came out of a box of Lucky Charms.
    The weight and dimensions could be correct. It could be made from silver but it is visually just such a bad fake it should not be sold a genuine Please remove the listing or indicate the coins true condition.
     
  15. Marsden

    Marsden Well-Known Member

    It doesn't look right to me either, but to play devil's advocate, my tablet takes crappy pics which make legit Morgans look about like that. Needless to add, I don't use my tablet cam very much.
     
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  16. Sting 60

    Sting 60 Well-Known Member

    She needs to see a dermatologist.
     
  17. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    I am like you. I suppose I have not been studied enough over the years to state the diagnostics that prove a fake. But I can spot one in an instant.
     
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