Planchet error?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by bigjpst, Feb 27, 2010.

  1. bigjpst

    bigjpst Well-Known Member

    Found this a couple days ago, just wondering what this would be called, looks to be a flaw in the planchet pre strike to me. any feedback appreciated.
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  3. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    Maybe something that has to do with machine doubling. One of the big guns will know later
     
  4. rockdude

    rockdude Coin Collector

    Looks like a retained struck through.
     
  5. bigjpst

    bigjpst Well-Known Member

  6. bhp3rd

    bhp3rd Die varieties, Gems

    Could not be "pre-strike" it's been hit by sompthing post mint.
     
  7. bigjpst

    bigjpst Well-Known Member

    Thanks for your input.. I just cant imagine how this was done post mint.
    it looks to me like the mark actually goes through and under "OF" and the center line in the F is raised.,like a bent piece of wire..also it doesn't effect the rim although it goes all the way to it ..but I am a novice.
     
  8. bhp3rd

    bhp3rd Die varieties, Gems


    If on the planchet it would have filled in the dent as the die was filled with the metal during strike, at least on the lettering portion. On your coin under each crease on the letters themselves is a shiny spot coming right back at you - this would not be the case as the metal would have again, filled it or filled most of it and the luster would never appear "that un-interuppted on same. Also if dented before striking the letters themselves could have "not filled the areas completely but would appear more "rolling" as the effect.
     
  9. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    I disagree. The areas of the O and F below the crease did not fill completely because they were being sheltered by the piece of metal that was being pressed into the coin at the time. This appears to me to be something like a rim burr that was folded over and then struck into the coin.
     
  10. Carlos Arriaga

    Carlos Arriaga Senior Member

    Are you sure there's nothing else on the bottom of the reverse? I would like to see the complete reverse. Curiosity.
     
  11. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    I can buy most of what you are saying (or better said, I cannot come up with a better solution), but just how can you explain what made the right leg of the "O" wider below the bottom line than above it. It is also possible that the same ting happened to the "F", but at this angle, it is hidden by the center line in the "F". If the top were too narrow, it could be unfilled as you explain happened elsewhere. However, unless my eyes are crooked, the bottom is too wide. So, unless the die is coincidentally damaged in the exact spot of that bottom line, the only explanation I can come up with is post mint damage for that area.
     
  12. bhp3rd

    bhp3rd Die varieties, Gems

    They were hit that's why they shine all the same exact way - this would not be true with areas filled with at different hights or levels.
     
  13. bigjpst

    bigjpst Well-Known Member

    I will try and post more pics from different angles later today when I get home...
     
  14. abe

    abe LaminatedLincolnCollector

    Looks like a struck thru to me. What, who knows, maybe a piece of folded or crimped up plastic or cellephane. Can't wait for the new pics...
     
  15. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    I agree with the struck in rim burr. I have seen a few of these before. Neat piece.
     
  16. ozarktravler

    ozarktravler Senior Member

    my best guess, "struck through" caused by high carbon spring wire , spring wire would be harder than coin metal, thus shaving letters/imprinting on coin surface during die strike.... just a guess,not an estimate ;) ozarktravler
     
  17. bigjpst

    bigjpst Well-Known Member

    Here are some more pics...I did the best I could with the closups
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  18. abe

    abe LaminatedLincolnCollector

    I do believe Rim Burr gets my vote too...
     
  19. errorman

    errorman New Member

    I don't think it's a retained strke through, the image is not raised enough,and it does'nt seem to have the charecteristics, of a strike through at all. I have to agree with the treas on this one post mint damage

    JIM
     
  20. abe

    abe LaminatedLincolnCollector

    Price Guide to Mint Errors, pg. 239 has a nice picture of " Struck Thru a Rim Burr". The similarities are proof enough for me...
     
  21. Carlos Arriaga

    Carlos Arriaga Senior Member

    What you, (every-body), think about the second U of the word UNUM. If this is a MD, some others letters, are no supposed to be double too?
     
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