How often do you come across the smaller Gordian III bronzes?

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  1. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Here is the emperor sacrificing on an as. The only other example of this type that I know of sold in the New York Sale of 2010, see this page (scroll down).

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    Gordian III, AD 238-244
    Æ As, 25mm, 9.7g, 12h; Rome mint, AD 240.
    Obv.: IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG; Laureate, draped, and cuirassed bust right.
    Rev.: P M TR P III COS P P S C, Emperor standing left, sacrificing out of patera over lit tripod and holding short scepter.
    Ref.: RIC IVc 292b, Cohen 230.
     
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  3. Orange Julius

    Orange Julius Well-Known Member

    You don’t see them that often. I have this As and another of the same type as yours (in rougher shape and unphotographed) versus 65 or so Gordian Antoninianus coins (I know, I know… how could you need 65 of those?!). So… I’d guess that 1:32-ish ratio of As to Antoninianus is close.
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  4. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    GORDIAN III AS

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    RI
    Gordian III
    238-244 CE
    AE As 25mm
    Hercules S-C
     
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  5. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I only have one as and was at one time trying harder to find another wince I wanted a Laetitia of the type overstruck by my Byzantine Anonymous. I discovered that asses are a lot harder to find than sestertii and tended to be in lower grades or higher priced. My one is the same type shown by Alegandron.

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  6. Orange Julius

    Orange Julius Well-Known Member

    I took a quick shot of my coin similar to the OP. It's nicer than I remembered! Picture is a bit dark but it's what I could do in the short amount of time I had.
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    Gordian III - Rome - RIC IVc 292b
     
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  7. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I like yours better than mine - the detail is better and the surfaces are less rough.
     
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  8. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Here is a Gordian III dupondius:

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    24 mm. 7.85 grams.
    ABVNDANTIA AVG
    RIC IV.II 282, page 46 "Scarce. A hybrid?"
    Struck "issue 3" at Rome
     
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  9. Orange Julius

    Orange Julius Well-Known Member

    The dupondius seems to be the most scarce for Gordian. Too many ants, 2 Ases, 8-ish sestercies… but no dups here yet!
     
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  10. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Interesting how our coins are the same, yet the dies are totally different.
     
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  11. curtislclay

    curtislclay Well-Known Member

    @Valentinian

    Since your dupondius lacks PIVS in its obverse legend, shouldn't it be RIC 275c rather than 282?
     
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  12. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Now I see it is 274c (not 275c and not 282). RIC calls is "C" but our members don't seem to think so. Thank you for helping me fix the attribution.
     
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  13. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    In my limited experience, anything AE smaller than a sestertius is hard to find for Gordian III. But by chance I came across two in eBay lots this year so far, both asses (as's? I hate calling them "asses"). Both are rough:

    Gordian III - As Virtus lot Jan 2022 (0).jpg
    Gordian III Æ As
    (240 A.D.) Rome Mint

    IMP GORDIA[NVS PI]VS FEL AVG, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right / VIRTVS A[VG] S [C], Virtus standing front, head left, holding branch and inverted spear, shield set on ground behind.
    RIC 293b; Cohen 391.
    (11.05 grams / 25 x 23 mm)
    eBay Jan. 2022

    This one came in some antique souvenir packaging from the Roman baths at Bath:

    Gordian III - As IOVI STATOR Bath UK lot Jan 2022 (0).jpg
    Gordian III Æ As
    (241-243 A.D.)
    Rome Mint

    IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from behind / IOVI [STAT]ORI S C, Jupiter standing front holding thunderbolt and sceptre.
    RIC 298b; Cohen 112.
    (9.33 grams / 22 x 21 mm)
    eBay Jan. 2022
    Attribution Note: Coin came packaged in a cardboard holder with the printed heading: The Roman Baths of Bath, England / Genuine Roman Bronze Coin. The coin was taped to hole cut in holder with dried-out cellophane tape. Addition descriptions of the actual coin typed out on blue paper and glued to cardboard. c. 1940s-1960s (?) souvenir.
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  14. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    Some really lovely examples in this thread! They are definitely tough to find, especially nice ones. Here are some asses and one dupondius of Gordian III and later:

    Gordie:
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    Philip I:
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    Trajan Decius (dupondius):
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    Valerian (this is Apollo standing left, holding laurel-branch and lyre on rock, APOLINI CONSERVA S-C)
    valerian as.png

    Gallienus (joint reign with Valerian):
    gallienus joint reign.jpg

    The very last asses were issued under Gallienus, sole reign post-260. Here's one of Salonina, Juno reverse:
    salonina sole reign gall.jpg
     
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  15. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    I'd forgotten about this one, since I just bought it and it has not arrived yet. It might be an as of Gordian III with Abundantia reverse. I say "might" because the seller sold (on eBay) it as a "remake."

    Most "remakes" seem pretty obvious to me and this one did not seem obvious. I checked the Forgery Network and poked around in general and could not find any fakes of this type. The price was under $15, so I decided to take a gamble. The seller's photos are all I have, but they are better than a lot of mine. No dimension or weight at this time. If real, I think it is RIC 274b. If not, it goes in the Black Box of Shame with my other reckless gambles :(.

    I notice the only other Abundantia type in this thread is that interesting dupondius posted by @Valentinian. As for the asses, there are three examples of RIC 274b in Wildwinds, two of which seem to be the same coin (or incredibly close die-and-flan-and-wear matches). https://www.wildwinds.com/coins/sear5/s8771.html

    Here is mine. The portrait looks a tad "off" to me for Gordian, but sometimes his earlier issues feature portraits that are not quite Classic Gordy. Any opinions welcome; if this is a known fake, please let me know!

    Gordian III - As Abundantia possible fake Mar 2022..jpg
     
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  16. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ...oh, so another something i haven't got ..i've never gave it much thought...dang you @John Anthony ...now i gotta see ifn i can find one 9_9(i'm already investing in Beany Babies..i'll post my 1st when it gets here:D)..:)
     
  17. akeady

    akeady Well-Known Member

    I've got a Gordian III as with Hercules like Alegandron's. Funnily, I had no recollection of bidding on this or another coin when the bill came :D

    Obv.: IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG - Bust of Gordian III, laureate, draped, cuirassed, right
    Rev.: VIRTVTI AVGVSTI S C - Hercules, nude, standing right, resting right hand on hip and resting left hand on club set on rock; beside club, lion-skin
    Mint: Rome (240-243 AD)
    Wt./Size/Axis: 8.80g / 24mm / 1h
    References:
    • RIC 309
    Acquisition: ACR Auctions Online auction E-Live Auction 105 #2403 21-Oct-2021
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    ATB,
    Aidan.
     
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