Medieval Monday!

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by FitzNigel, Sep 14, 2020.

  1. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Nice pickup! I would leave it in slab:) I have around 300+ AV coins in slabs. However I do make precise detailed labels for mine.
     
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  3. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Fantastic example, @Dafydd. I really like the convergence of the Berwick mint and the lateness of the issue, as if to portend the drama of the following generation. ...And it's bracing to be reminded of how front-and-centre the Norse presence was, as late as this. You can imagine Haakon's ambitions seamlessly going back, in his own mind, to Magnus Barelegs and Harald Hardraade. ...Do you really want my advice about slabs? I only have one opinion; the needle isn't really moving.
    Here's mine for today. This was begun as the start of a thread --of which I thought better; that's where the extra verbiage comes from.
    Castles on early feudal coins are surprisingly thin on the ground. During the 11th and earlier 13th centuries, ecclesiastical motifs are much more common, in line with their continuing predominance in masonry architecture generally. (Obvious examples are the famously stylized, originally abbatial issues of Tours, and 11th-century deniers of the county of Dreux.) This is only the second I’ve landed, arriving this past week via French ebay.

    LORRAINE, SIMON II, NEUFCHATEAU, W. CASTLE, OBV..jpg
    LORRAINE, SIMON II, NEUFCHATEAU, W. CASTLE, REV..jpg

    Simon II, Duke of Lorraine 1176-1206. Petit denier of the seigneurie of Neufchâteau, possibly immobilized into the mid-13th century.

    Obv. St. Peter, holding the keys to Heaven. …The legend is completely absent, thanks to the ‘perfect storm’ of strike and module, notorious among issues of Lorraine and neighboring mints. Given which, it ostensibly reads: “PET [...] R.”

    Rev. Stone keep /donjon, surrounded by an outer curtain or chemise. Here there’s a little more of the legend; from 9 o’clock: “[.NOVI] CAST[RI].”

    Where standard references are concerned, of the kind more or less readily available from the US, the entire region is woefully –yes, I picked that word– underserved. Beyond the gaping hole in Duplessy, this doesn’t even show up in Boudeau, and resists finding in Dannenberg. Fortunately, the .cgb archives came to the rescue, citing a regional study linked from this page:

    https://www.cgbfr.com/lorraine-seigneurie-de-neufchateau-simon-ii-denier-tb-,v35_0425,a.html

    I like how the combination of donjon and chemise, schematic as it is, evokes such examples as Richard I’s Chateau Gaillard, built with what, for the 1190’s, can only be characterized as lightning speed.
    CASTLES, CHEMISE CHATEAU GAILLARD, Château_Gaillard_(Les_Andelys),_vu_du_ciel.jpg
     
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  4. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    This one I got today/ its not Medieval but rarely seen.
    AV Florin d'or ND
    Château-Renault
    François de Bourbon 1605-14
    This Principality only existed from 1604-29
    FR*BOVRB*LVD*MARGARETA*ALOTH*
    Prince wearing ruffled collar/ draped/ armored right
    IN*OMNM*TER*SONVS*EORVM
    Crowned Arms/ flanked by Lorraine Crosses
    3.24g. 23mm. .986 6h
    Poey d'Avant 6238 Fr. 114 KM 19
    ex: Roma XXIV lot 1260 GK Coll. 19878.12.8_1.jpg 6448676.jpg
     
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  5. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Nice one, @panzerman!
    ...Where the transition from medieval to modern is concerned, I think it makes only better sense to include late French feudal than late English hammered. You've got the continuing political structure (/traces of it), along with the technology (famously including the Renaissance portraits on Tudor and Stuart issues).
     
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  6. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    love the castle on that coin @+VGO.DVCKS! The best castle on a coin I have has already been shared in this thread, but here it is again anyway:
    Med-06-P-1495-Manuel I-C-3-1*.jpg Portugal
    Manuel I, r. 1495-1521
    AE Ceitil, 18.06 mm x 1.4 grams, Group 3.1
    Obv.: +IEMANVEL R.P.ET.A. N retrograde. 3rd type shield containing Portuguese coat of arms, annulet left, top, and right
    Rev.: +I:EMANVEL.[R.P.ET.A.]. N retrograde. Group 3.1 castle with high open outside wall castle over convex sea
    Ref.: MEC 6-1130

    here’s one I haven’t posted before - primarily because the photo is terrible and needs to be updated. And it’s really just a ‘tower,’ but that’s close enough for me:
    Med-11-H-1235-Béla IV-D-H-18-16.jpg
    Hungary
    Béla IV, r. 1235-1270
    AR Denar, 11.82 mm x 0.7 grams
    Obv.: Tower above crescent between two lis
    Rev.: Hebrew letter ח (chet), decorative circle around
    Ref.: Frynas H.18.16
     
  7. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ..i have a Louis VI coming...i'll post it when it gets here(only a few miles away now) 12 noon.jpg
     
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  8. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    You have a monoply on Louis's:stop:
     
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  9. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ..i think i recognize the portrait..:yuck: beetlejuice smoker in hell pic.jpg
     
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  10. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ..no monopoly here...just being earnest in collecting them :)..maybe you misunderstood when i said i wanted 'ALL" the Louies :D
     
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  11. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Well, I bow before you!
    I do have all the Louis from the Spider King in order to Louis XVIII. And....Louis Philippe/ Louis Napoleon III:)
     
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  12. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    dont' bow for me for i still lack 1-5 and 10 is a possible problem..very noteworthy yours and shiny gold too :happy:
     
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  13. VD76

    VD76 Well-Known Member

    Another Monday and another crusader space filler ……

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  14. Nap

    Nap Well-Known Member

    alchred-2b-i.jpg
    Anglo-Saxon England
    Sceat of Alchred, king of Northumbria 765-774
    S. 849
     
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  15. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    That's a County of Jaffa denier, one of the great rarities of Latin Jerusalem coinage, for anyone not familiar. Even like that it's a great add.
     
  16. Chris B

    Chris B Supporter! Supporter

    I'm a sucker for an interesting theme that is new to me. This is a CNG purchase that I was able to get for the opening bid...shocking these days.

    Ita139502.jpg
    ITALY, Milano (duchy). Gian Galeazzo Visconti. 1395-1402. AR Pegione – Grosso da 1.5 soldi

    Diameter: 24mm
    Weight: 2.41 g

    New coinage. Milano mint. Struck 1395-1398.

    Obverse: Visconti arms (coiled serpent left, consuming man) flanked by G 3; all within quadrilobe with leaves in spandrels Reverse: Nimbate St. Ambrose enthroned facing, wearing episcopal regalia, holding scourge and crozier

    MIR 121/1; Crippa 4/A; cf. MEC 12, 635-8 (for type). Deposits. VF.

    And here is another that I had kind of forgotten about. I'm pretty sure that I haven't posted this before.

    Ita135601.jpg

    Italy, Venice. Giovanni Dolfin. Doge, 1356-1361
    Obverse: Doge kneeling left holding pennant.
    .+. IOhS· DELP hYNO·DVX·
    Reverse: Nimbate lion of St. Mark left, holding penant; 'A' at left.
    .+.S.MARCVS.VENETI.

    Massari Sconosciutu, mintmaster.

    Weight: 0.56g.
    Diameter: 15mm.

    CNI 2; Biaggi 2833
     
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  17. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member



    Excellent example, especially considering that these often tend to be clipped. Yours is not. My example below is. One can only wonder whether 0.1g of debased silver were worth the effort and risk:

    MA – Italien, Venedig, Soldino, Giovanni Dolfin.png
    Italy, Republic of Venice, under Giovanni Dolfin (57th Doge), AR soldino (slightly clipped), 1356-1361 AD. Obv: +IOh’S DELPhYNO DVx; kneeling doge holding banner l., . Rev: + S MARCVS VENETI; lion of St. Marc with banner l.; in field l., S. 14mm, 0.43g. Ref: MEC12, 1164–1165.
     
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  18. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

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  19. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

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  20. Severus Alexander

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    eleanor.jpg
     
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  21. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    M-O-O-N that spells Eleanor.

    eleanore.JPG
     
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