Question regarding photography

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by ambr0zie, Mar 18, 2022.

  1. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    Hello ladies and gentlemen,
    I like to take photos for all my coins after receiving them rather than using auction pics.
    (someday I want to take "original" photos of all my coins as I am only doing this for a few months).
    Received my package today containing my Trajan denarii with Dacians, took some photos and in the photos the edge looks very strange. If I see this kind of pics in an auction, I would be tempted to skip the coin and suspect it's a cast.
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    I tried using different lightning and the results are similar.
    I could swear that these are made from two joint parts
    However, in hand, using magnifying glass, the coins show absolutely no trace of the "seam" - if this would be the correct term.

    upload_2022-3-18_14-32-27.png

    I think the coins are perfectly fine.
    And if I remember correctly, a few months ago I had the same result when taking a photo of a perfectly genuine denarius.

    Where am I going wrong?
     
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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    The coin looks OK to me. As for taking pics, I am hit and miss too. I find it very hard to get good pics of coins made of silver that have surfaces like yours. I own many that way and the coins always look worse than in-hand. :dead:
     
  4. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    I am pretty sure the coins are genuine. They were bought from a reputable auction house and I never had or heard complains about them.
    I am also very unskilled in detecting forgeries - but if I would see my pics on an auction, I would ignore the coins due to the edges.
    My question would be why do the edges look like this only in pics :)
     
  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    It's shadows that show up on images. I've had sveral coins purchased from very reputable dealers which when imaged look similar to your. In hand, no seam can be seen. Your coin looks perfectly normal to me (but I am no expert).
     
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  6. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    I think it's the light reflecting off the surface on which the coin rests.
     
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  7. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    I am not concerned at all for both coins (I would be if the "line" would be visible in hand - not the case).

    I had the same idea so went on the balcony for fully natural light photos
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    Beats me, really.
    The edge looks nothing like this in hand.
     
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  8. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else Supporter

    Raise the coin off the background. I use a disc of cork but you can use a bottle cap or similar. This makes the camera focus solely on the subject and the edges more defined.
     
  9. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    Yes, raise the coin higher off the surface and you can also use a piece of white paper to reflect the light onto the edges at 6:00. It's trial and error but once you get it, the set up will work for most coins.
     
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  10. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    Many thanks, gentlemen, I was not aware of this trick.
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  11. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else Supporter

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  12. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    Lightning is still imperfect, but this method is simple and extremely useful.
    I realized that I saw many photos on CT made with similar methods but I always thought it was a Photoshop effect.
     
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  13. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    If you wrap the white paper under the coin up at 6:00 so that it's purpendicular to the surface, or just add another sheet of paper, you can reduce or eliminate the shadow on the bottom of the coin.
     
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  14. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else Supporter

    Agreed. Alternatively you can place a low level light source at coin level at 6:00. Lighting is something that always need playing with as all coins are different. An inch nearer or further away can make huge differences. This was not something I had even considered until very recently. The reading I am doing on it now is very eye opening
     
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  15. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    That's not white paper, that's my window sill :)
    I kinda like the shadow, don't ask me why. But the things I learned from this thread are quite unexpected. Thanks again.
     
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  16. Ignoramus Maximus

    Ignoramus Maximus Nomen non est omen.

    Why not try a black, non-reflective surface when you're taking pictures? That way you avoid reflections on the edge and pixel-bleed. I'm sure the unevenness on the edge will disappear.
     
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  17. robinjojo

    robinjojo Well-Known Member

    Does this photo of your first OP coin look better? I used haze reduction in Photoshop and reduced the lighting.

    Haze reduction photo of CT coin 3-18-22.jpg

    For the second photo, I used just the haze reduction tool:

    Haze reduction photo of CT coin.2  3-18-22.jpg
     
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  18. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Try not shining a bright light directly on the coin but bounce light around the whole area or even the room so the light is soft rather than harsh. Continue to raise the coin above the surface. See if you like that better. I generally prefer coins lit softly rather than harshly. If outside, stay in the shade and not in direct sun.
     
  19. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    @dougsmit - thanks. Photography is not my area, in fact I started to take it more seriously since I bought my first camera - a cheap, old Panasonic but it does its job.

    @robinjojo thank you as well, nice enhancements. My problem was this
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    With that strange reflection (the coins do NOT have that "seam") they both looked like very bad fakes and I was curious why, being convinced they are genuine.
     
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  20. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    What @dougsmit says.
    I take my pics in natural light on a cloudy/rainy/snowy day to avoid direct sunlight.
    And I've built a set that prevents me from doing again the settings everytime I use it

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  21. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    That's quite interesting ... I might improvise something similar but I have 2 left hands.
    After buying the camera I "built" something similar - 2 big water glasses upside down. It did the trick but after a few tries the camera fell and almost broke.
    It's a cheap, outdated model - Panasonic Lumix DMC LZ-7 but I am quite impressed of what it can do - compared to my phone it's really fantastic. And I try to take care of my things.
     
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