Louis X's coins are hard to find..his dad, Phillip IV, killer of Jacques DeMolay will do for now

On this date, 18th(or possibly the 11th 9_9) March 1314, Phillip IV, king of France, along with Pope Clement V, had the last Grandmaster of the Knights Templar burned at the stake, along with another Templar....AND, since i cant seem to find a coin of his son Louie X (he only ruled about 2 years 1314-1316), PLUS..i've always wanted a coin of this rascal..poof! another one coin for 2 kings(times are hard) i've been a member of The Order of DeMolays in my youth..but never a club of Phillip IV(thank goodness)

POST WHATEVER IS REVELANT PEEPS! Denier Phillip IV(1285-1314)(i'm fairly sure this coin circulated during Louie X's time) Billon double tournois 'le Bell' type legends PhILPPVS REX, MON DVPLEX REGAL, 20mm, .88gms

 

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Very nice writup.Where did the picture come from?

 

..from the chronicler St. Denis, British Museum..

 

I've got no Louis X either, although I can think of a couple of usual suspects on this board who might have one to show. (@Cucumbor , @seth77 , @+VGO.DVCKS , @FitzNigel ?)

Here is my gros of Philippe IV:

Kingdom of France, under Philippe IV "le Bel" ("the Fair"), AR Gros Tournois à l’O Rond, 1285–1314 AD (struck 1295–1314 AD), Tours mint. Obv: +BHDICTV SIT HOME DHI nRI DEI IhV XPI/+ PhILIPPVS REX, cross pattée; 3-pellet stops. Rev: +TVRONVS°CIVIS, châtel tournois; border of twelve lis. 26mm, 3.93g. Ref: Duplessy 213.

 

Here are a few roughly contemporary coins. I like how the second picture emphasizes the commonality of the crosses on the reverse.

#1 Saint Louis IX (25 April 1214 – 25 August 1270 AD.) Europe’s first gros tournois circa 1266-1270 AD. Some luster remaining. Ciani 181.
Obv: cross, légende intérieure : + LVDOVICVS. REX
légende extérieure : + BNDICTV: SIT: NOmE: DHI: nRI: DEI: IhV. XPI, (ponctuation par trois besants superposés).
Traduction: (Louis roi ; Que le nom de notre seigneur Jésus-Christ soit béni).

Rev: TURONIS CIVIS.

Purchased from Alex Malloy 6/1989

#2 Bohemund VI of Tripoli 1251-75 AD. He was knighted in Acre by St. Louis IX, married Sybilla of Armenia, daughter of King Hetoum bringing peace between Armenia and Tripoli, and assisted the Armenians and the Mongols in the capture of Aleppo and Damascus in 1260 AD. Antioch was lost to Baybars during his reign, in 1268AD.

Obv: Cross. BOEMVNDVS COMES. Rev: Star. CIVITAS TRIPOLI. Purchased 3/1993 from Andy Singer

#3 Bohemund VII of Tripoli 1275-87 AD. OBV: Cross. SEPTIMVS BOEMVNDVS COMES. Rev: CIVITAS TRIPOLIS SYRIE. Bohemond VII spent much of his reign at war with the Templars and the Genoese. He left no known legitimate children. This gros was the same weight as the French gros tournois. It was the last Crusader coin struck in the Holy Land. Tripoli was lost to the Mamluks in 1289, two years after his death.
Purchased from Stephen Huston circa 1989

#4. Robert d’Anjou, Kingdom of Naples. Also called a gigliato. 1309-1343 AD. Obv: HONOR REGIS IUDICIUM DILIGIT Rev: ROBERT DEI GRA IERL ET SICIL REX. The honor of the king delights in justice. Psalm 98:4 Vulgate.
Purchased from Stephen Huston.

#5. Kingdom of Cyprus, Peter I. 1359-1369 AD. His reign was the acme of military power of the Cypriot Kingdom. The Jerusalem cross on the reverse refers to his claim to the kingdom of Jerusalem

 

Good catch @ominus1
Nothing Louis X here, but a gros tournois for Philippe IV "le bel"


Philippe IV "Le Bel" (1285-1314) - Gros tournois à l'O rond
Atelier de Lille ? (2 petits points a droite du lis superieur du revers)
+ BNDICTV SIT NOME DNI NRI DEI IhV XPI dans le cercle exterieur, +PHILIPPVS REX dans le cercle interieur, croix au centre
TVRONVS CIVIS + dans le cercle interieur, chatel tournois au centre, bordure de douze fleurs de lis a l'exterieur
4.13 gr
Ref : Ciani # 203

Q

 

At least in "Knightfall" Philip ends up getting run thru by the Templar hero. The Grandmaster ended up on a barbeque spit/ to be slow roasted to reveal "Templar treasure" He did not talk. Most Templars did escape France.
Meanwhile they are looking for it on Oak Island.

 

Thanks for the vote of confidence, @Orielensis, but I stop at Philippe III, and only pick up again, in a small way, with the early Valois, a little later in the 14th century. A very engaging writeup, though, with a coin (along with some pretty great other ones) to match.

 

There is a rather complex discussion about the coinage of Louis X. For starters, Dieudonne in Les deniers parisis de Louis IX et de Louis X (Revue Numismatique, 1922, p. 136) notes a couple of deniers parisii with 'scarce' privy marks (annulet, croissant/apostrophe) and assignes them to the reign of Louis X on account of well... scarcity of marks (not so scarce anymore though) and lettering style. Duplessy follows through with a possible emission using small letters as privy marks (#235, p. 115) and adds an extremely rare denier tournois with trident privy mark (#236, p. 116 spotted only once in 1882 by Gariel). The tournois I have never seen, the parisis is very rare, and I think still rather cloudy as to its certain attribution to Louis X, which I think can only be done style-wise, with the help also of lettering as markings. This is the coinage according to the Ordonnance of May 6 1315:


+ PARISI[VS] ° CIVIS; Cross pattee
LVDO[VI]CVS τ REX (legend starting at 9 o'clock); FRA / NCO (in retrograde/en boustrophédon) in middle field in two lines.
cf. Duplessy 235

For tournois there was also a tentative attribution of an emission using the croisette as privy mark to Louis X, but A. Bontas in 'Did Louis X of France mint deniers tournois? (Notes on a few deniers tournois à la croisette)' (in Koinon II, 2019) disputes it on both stylistic and historical grounds, relying also on hoard compositions -- tresor de Saint-Georges-d'Annebecq (Orne), X... (Tarn) and Puylaurens (Tarn), dating ca. 1307, soon after 1304 and respectively 1315-1322.

There is no known gros minted under Louis X, a new ordonnance on gros tournois is not known until March 1st 1318 under Philippe V.

 

I have nothing to contribute, sadly. I have very few coins of the French kings, and this is an area I need to improve on. I was kindly gifted a Philip IV coin last Saturnalia, but I don’t yet have a good photo of it…