Israel 1 agora 1961 variety?

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  1. SRSNUM

    SRSNUM Well-Known Member

    Below, find digital images of an Israel 1 agora of 1961 in my collection. Is this coin a “regular date”,“thick date” or “wide date” per Haffner, or a new variety? My research to determine the answer has run into inconsistencies which I have been unable to resolve. All responses welcome.

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  3. expat

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  4. SRSNUM

    SRSNUM Well-Known Member

    Thank you expat for your response. In my research, I examined the Numista site. Regrettably the images are for the agora of 1960 only. The description for the date 1961 only indicates that the regular, thick and wide dates exist and were produced at the Kings Norton mint.
    The Haffner book describes the three varieties, but the images provided are small and not clear enough to lock down an attribution.
    Googling the thick date brings up several pages of links. None of these are consistent among their descriptions and images to convince me of the validity of the attributions. Thank you once again for taking the time and making an effort to help...it is much appreciated.
     
  5. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    Mine are from 1978, so I'm no help.
     
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  6. TheGame

    TheGame Well-Known Member

    I haven't been able to figure this out in my research either.
     
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  7. SRSNUM

    SRSNUM Well-Known Member

    Thanks to Mountain Man and TheGame for responding. It seems unusual, after the amount of time has passed since this 1961 issue has surfaced, that a full solid accounting of the varieties has not been forthcoming.
     
  8. expat

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    Some info although you are probably aware of this and if it is even accurate.
    The thin date has the leaf joined to the bottom of the barley stalk.
    Thick date IMM-A1-2 has the leaf joined higher up the wheat stalk.
     
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  9. SRSNUM

    SRSNUM Well-Known Member

    Yes, I am familiar with the leaf connecting to the stem at a higher junction. The thin date is not indicated in Haffner but has crept in to the dialog and appears to have muddied the waters a bit.

    Numista mentions:

    Wide date

    Thick date

    No designation- presumably “Regular Date”.

    All from Kings Norton Mint.

    No "thin date" mentioned.

    To illustrate some of the inconsistencies that exist:
    PCGS exhibits 3 images(MS64,MS62,AU55) of Haffner A|-2a Thick Date (Regular Strike)—my borrowed copy of Haffner shows designation ‘Thick Date A-102a.’

    To my eye, the MS62 & AU55 appear to be the same. However, the MS64 image appears to be a different variety.

    See images below…there appears to be two different varieties for the same “Thick Date” PCGS variety. Which is correct?

    MS 64 OBVERSE

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    MS62 OBVERSE

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    MS 64 REVERSE

    42801476_225398701_max_1961_agora_thick_date_ms64_rev2c.jpg

    MS 62 REVERSE

    30169669_42711571_max1961_agora_thick_date_ms62_revb.jpg
     
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