Constantius II & Horseman

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  1. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Another nice looking fallen horseman of Constantius II. The reverse of this coin gives me the impression that this is an active scene. Many of this type of coin looks lifeless and dull but this one gives me an actual feeling of I’m watching it take place.

    It looks like the soldier is leaping while the horse is falling. And the big eyed Barbarian is teaching backwards while yelling. The coin has an excellent strike, great surfaces and is well centered.

    Constantius II, 337-361 AD
    AE Centenionalis, 23mm, 5.3g, 12h
    Heraclea Mint, 351-354 AD
    Obverse: DN CONSTANTIVS PF AVG, pearl-diademed, draped, cuirassed but right.
    Reverse: FEL TEMP RE-PARATIO, helmeted soldier to left, shield on left arm, spearing fallen horseman, shield on ground at right. Horseman turns to face soldier and raises right arm, horseman is bearded and bareheaded in left field // SMHA
    Reference: RIC VIII Heraclea 82
    p. 436
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  3. Jims Coins

    Jims Coins Well-Known Member

    Please attach a picture
     
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  4. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Thank you. The question is, now how could I forget photos? The answer is best left unsaid. LOL
     
  5. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Mine are ugly, but then again, the subject matter is ugly.

    CONSTANTIUS GALLUS

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    RI Constantius Gallus Caesar 351-354 AE21 FEL TEMP REPARATIO soldier-spearing-fallen-horseman RIC 348 Siscia


    JULIAN II

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    RI Julian II 360-363 CE Fallen Horseman AE3
     
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  6. Jims Coins

    Jims Coins Well-Known Member

    Bronze coin (AE 3) minted at Siscia during the reign of CONSTANTIUS II between 355 - 361 A.D. Obv. D.N.CONSTAN-TIVS.P.F.AVG. Rev. FEL.TEMP.-REPARATIO. Helmeted soldier advancing l., shield on l. arm, spearing fallen horseman; shield on ground at r., horseman is beardless & wears cap, he falls forward on neck of horse. RCS #4010. DVM #100. LRBC #1231. JQH-195 OBV.jpg JQH-195 REV.jpg
     
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  8. Orange Julius

    Orange Julius Well-Known Member

    I recently found a nice Julian fallen horseman. It was really hard to photograph with the small size and desert patina. I’ve been temped to clean the high points a bit more but some exploratory rubbing shows that the sand is as hard as concrete and I don’t want to ruin it with scratches.
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  9. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

  10. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I really like that coloring on your coin. I’d leave as is and be happy with it.
     
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  11. Orange Julius

    Orange Julius Well-Known Member

    Thank you! I agree… but can’t help but see hints at the fabulous detail just under the dirt! Haha, risk/reward… I do however usually play it safe until I’m as certain as I can be I’m not going to make a coin worse. So it will likely stay like this.
     
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  12. GinoLR

    GinoLR Well-Known Member

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    Constantius Gallus, centenionalis from Antioch

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    Constantius II (he wears a pearl-diadem). Does the barbarian horseman have stirrups? It's probably an illusion, I read somewhere that stirrups weren't invented yet...
     
  13. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    While I have shown it many times, my favorite Falling Horseman is this Gallus from Amiens. It is very interesting in style, rare (show me yours) and has clashed dies. Most collectors would not touch it because it is faulty. I intend to find someone to give it to that won't send it to the junk box when I'm gone. If you don't love that face, you certainly have to admit that is some mullet.
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  14. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member

    I'm certain that there are several "someones" on this board. And yes, that's a mullet worthy of a good nightmare...

    Although I appreciate the falling horseman, I like the other FEL TEMP types better:

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    Constantius Gallus, Roman Empire, AE2, 351–355 AD, Constantinople mint. Obv: DN FL CL CONSTANTIVS NOB CAE; bust of Constantius Gallus, bare-headed, draped, cuirassed, r. Ref: FEL TEMP REPARATIO; Roman soldier l. spearing fallen horseman; in in fields, Γ•; in exergue, CONSB. 24mm, 4.20g. Ref: RIC VIII Constantinople 107.

    Rom – Procopius, Reparatio FELt TEMP, AE3.png
    Procopius, Roman Empire, AE3, 365–366 AD, Constantinople mint. Obv: D N PROCOPIVS P F AVG, pearl-diademed, draped and cuirassed bust l. Rev: REPARATIO FEL TEMP, Procopius standing l., head r., holding labarum and resting hand on shield set on ground; Chi-Rho in upper r. field, unidentified object by l. foot; in exergue CONSS•. 19mm, 2.86g. Ref: RIC IX Constantinople 17a.

    Rom – Constantinus II, AE3, FEL TEMP, Phoenix, CONST (neu).png
    Constantius II, Roman Empire, AE3, 348–352 AD, Constantinople mint. Obv: D N CONSTAN-TIVS P F AVG; bust of Constantius II, pearl-diademed, draped, cuirassed, r. Rev: FEL TEMP REPARATIO; phoenix, radiate, standing r. on globe; in exergue, CONSA. 17mm, 2.36g. RIC VIII Constantinople 93.

    Rom – Constans, AE4, Trier, Fel Temp Reparatio, Phoenix.png
    Constans, Roman Empire, AE4, 348–350 AD, Trier mint. Obv: D N CONSTANS P F AVG; bust of Constans, pearl-diademed, draped, cuirassed, r. Rev: FEL•TEMP•REPARATIO; phoenix, radiate, standing r. on rocky mound; in exergue, TRP•. 16mm, 2.33g. Ref: RIC VIII Treveri 228.

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    Constans, Roman Empire, AE3, 348–350 AD, Trier mint. Obv: D N CONSTANS P F AVG; bust of Constans, rosette-diademed, draped, cuirassed, l., holding globe in r. hand. Rev: FEL•TEMP•REPARATIO; soldier, helmeted, draped, cuirassed, advancing r., head l., leading small bare-headed figure from a hut beneath a tree with r. hand and holding spear in l. hand; in exergue, *PLG•. 20mm, 3.66g. Ref: RIC VIII Lugdunum 88.
     
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  15. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I love the portraits on the last two you posted @Orielensis
     
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  16. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member

    Thanks! And the portraits are even better when they are looking at each other:

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  17. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    How about a barbarous imitative of the same type as the OP?

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    I have a few of the same type as the OP (I am not sure why I have so many...) but I have one that would be quite nice at least from a portrait perspective but there must have been a double strike here where some of the copper that was needed to fill all of the hair was flattened by a previous strike. The second, solid strike has left a good imprint but there wasn't enough copper there to allow all the hair detail to be struck up. Either that or the emperor has a very different hairstyle to normal.

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  18. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    How about a coin of Constantius Gallus tormenting a soldier with a metal lamp pull chain?
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    (Bronze) AE2
    Constantinople mint, first series
    Obv: D N FL CL CONSTANTIVS NOB CAES
    Rev: FEL TEMP R-EPARATIO - Soldier spearing fallen enemy horseman
    CONSA in exergue; Γ• in left field
    RIC 107
    22mm, 4.7g
     
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  19. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    Whether the emperor is stabbing the horse of the soldier also seems to vary from mint to mint and engraver to engraver.
    Here are a few reaching types illustrating what I have seen.....
    Horse....
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    At the join of the horse and soldier... so horse
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    Moving into the soldier at the waist
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    Chest of Soldier
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    Shoulder
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    There are variation in position for clutching types too
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    Through to upper back
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  20. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I have never seen one with the horse being stabbed in the head but other options head to tail and everything inbetween are available.
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