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Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Kristine Garrant, Feb 16, 2022.

  1. Kristine Garrant

    Kristine Garrant Certified Newbie

    Ok. Let's not get all involved on what coins these are. let's just look at the arrows and what they are pointing to plz. I am trying to focus and not let that bouncing sponge in my head soak up too much at once. I am attempting to differentiate between different mint errors and different types of damage that may occur. A lesson in understanding what I am seeing with the definitions that are supplied. Together to make an informed decision on what it is. Not only to get a better understanding of numismatics but also to save precious time on my journey of coin 'unrolling' lol and coin education/​

    on a side note, a friend of mine had texted me with the usual "Wyd?" ("what are you doing?" for those not text savvy) anyway, I replied to cherry picking pennies. He sent back an lol with "you always come up with the craziest things!". I was like, wait a second. here ... I am, being serious this time! lol.. and I went on to explain to him what that meant. I feel like I have entered through a wall, Harry Potter style, and am in a whole new world that the Moguls just don't get!

    anyways. your advice and info are welcomed. Thanks Gentlemen
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    1. Ok a filled mintmark caused by a grease build up on the working die?

    2. In the 1999. is that a die chip, grease build up or possibly both?

    3. A die scratch or a die break on the forehead?

    4. What would cause the 'G' to look like it is a totally different font?

    5. On the liberty is this another case of grease buildup?

    6/7 I am seeing this on multiple coins from all kinds of years. What is this exactly? 3.jpg cpoins.jpg
    IMG_004.JPG IMG_011_LI.jpg IMG_024_LI.jpg IMG_170_LI (2).jpg IMG_171_LI.jpg ,
     
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  3. expat

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    Your images got a bit out of order there. First two are what you are listing as 6/7 i think. That is damaged surfaces and the zinc showing through with the eventual rotting away of the coin. 1992 onwards the cent has a solid zinc core with a micro thin coating of copper.
    1/ A chip or an interior die break on the MM
    2/ Die chip on the 9
    3/ Could be an IDB
    4/ G looks like it took a hit
    5/ Result of severe die wear and circulation damage
    Purely my opinion of what I am seeing in your images
     
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  4. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure what your first two photos (reverse) are, but the filled in MM is likely a die chip, or the center of the D was broken out on the die, allowing the metal to flow into the area and give it the filled in appearance.
    2. Again, most likely a die chip caused by the die breaking at that point. Pretty common as the smaller areas are subjected to a lot of force and abuse.
    3. Appears to be a IDB, internal die break, but without the coin in hand, it is not easy to tell. Generally speaking, if the area is raised, AND you don't see any signs of metal movement, as in a scratch that might be on the die, then it is a good likelihood of a die chip.
    4. I'd say just damage from circulation.
    5. Same as #4, IMHO.
    6 & 7, I don't see those photos so not sure how to answer your question.

    Hope that helps. :happy:
     
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  5. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    You ask about the 'L' in Liberty. It seems to roll up the edge of the coin. That is partially caused by die wear on the working die and a worn master die, and is common on pre 1969 coins. A new master die was made for 1969 year.
    The letters got really close to the edge on the late 60's LMC.
    68-69 (5).JPG
     
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  6. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    I'll take a shot at one of them. The arrow pointing to the head is actually the vein on his head and part of the design. It's not a die crack.
     
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  7. tommyc03

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  8. JPD3

    JPD3 Well-Known Member

    If you are referring to the missing letters on the reverse of the 1st two pics of your coins, I would tend to believe they were greasers (grease filled die). And, like @expat said, "damaged surfaces and the zinc showing through"
     
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  9. Kristine Garrant

    Kristine Garrant Certified Newbie

    yeah i am not understanding how my pics go from the order i uploaded them, what i am seeing as i write the pozst to hitting send and it scrambles everything. this is not the first post this has happened on, so i am really confused.
    ok so I am on the right track. yay! ty! and i understand what you are saying about circulation damage, but i guess severe die wear would make more sense to me because this specific fading of the words STATES OF and the motto is something I am seeing on a lot of coins from different years with different degrees of circulation damage.


    I am finding it on pretty red ones and extremely dulled out brown ones. I know for a fact, that there is no rhyme or reason to the years this is occurring. But I do know this, it's happening. Now I am gonna go back and see if there is any difference in what mint produced these. and if die deterioration is right, i am curious to know why it is happening??? it is always in the same spot of the coin, always on the reverse and in multiple years. It brings me back to the process of when it was first made and makes me wonder how this is possible? I find this fascinating! because, if I am not mistaken, the working dies and hubs are changed out every so often? that being the case, it would rule out die deterioration and make it more PMD ?? like from being used in an arcade game for example?

    this is all because of things I am observing and things I am trying to learn. It helps me wrap my head around the logistics of making a coin and things that might occur after...just plain old curiosity!
     
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  10. Kristine Garrant

    Kristine Garrant Certified Newbie

    was just talking about this in another reply to my post. so, let's go with grease. because it occurs in multiple years (I haven't checked mints yet) then that would mean there is an accumulation of grease in the same area of the coin-- on the reverse side. curious as to why this would happen. because pressure should be the same when struck, right? so, if it is grease, could it be because of the design itself that causes this? lol i know i am like some stupid kid with questions that bare no importance to value, just has struck my curiosity is all ...thanks
     
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  11. Kristine Garrant

    Kristine Garrant Certified Newbie

    no examples of the designers initials here. that 'G" i was discussing was on the pic of IGWT's G
     
  12. Kristine Garrant

    Kristine Garrant Certified Newbie

    lol is he mad? he was like, "damn people got me sitting here, posing for this sculpture thing. Marys got dinner ready." ..Lol..just joking with you. that's cool, I didn't know that. ty
     
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  13. Kristine Garrant

    Kristine Garrant Certified Newbie

    well yes, rolled up on the edge but the bottom portion is fainter than the 'leg' of the L, pardon if I haver screwed up royally the terminology!
     
  14. Kristine Garrant

    Kristine Garrant Certified Newbie

    so you are saying that it is PMD? that basically it got smushed?
     
  15. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    Caused by the same problems with dies..
     
  16. Kristine Garrant

    Kristine Garrant Certified Newbie

    yea i got that..so are you talking about the machine that holds the dies?
     
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  17. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    The weakness at the bottom of the 'L' is caused by die wear.
     
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  18. Kevin Mader

    Kevin Mader Fellow Coin Enthusiast Supporter

    Thought on die chips/breaks: some anomalies on Zincolns appear as a die chip, but might be zinc rot (hydrozincite). Especially on a quick glance. So give it a second or two longer to figure out what you have. Certain die chips/breaks are desirable to a group of collectors, like BIE cents (LIBiERTY) and Bee Hive cents (in the columns or adjacent outer buildings). Some decades ran dies until they catastrophically exploded, and in other years, they were less likely to happen. For instance, modern BIE cents are less frequent than say BIE cents from the 50s.
     
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