Billion

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by EdwardJ, Feb 23, 2010.

  1. EdwardJ

    EdwardJ 65 Year Old Junior Member

    I am doing some reading and the term billion came up referencing some form of metal. In the back of my mind I think it is poor grade silver or gold. Anybody know what I am referring to and can tell me what it is?
     
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  3. Ahab

    Ahab Member

    Are you sure of the spelling? Maybe bullion?:bigeyes:
     
  4. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    I think he's refering to billon?

     
  5. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Not to be confused with Billion.
    Billon is an alloy of a precious metal (most commonly silver, but also mercury) with a majority base metal content (such as copper). It is used chiefly for making coins, medals, and token coins.
    The word comes from the French bille.[1]
    The use of billon coins dates from ancient Greece through the Middle Ages . During 6th and 5th century BC, some cities on Lesbos island used coins made of 60% copper and 40% silver. In both ancient times and the Middle Ages, leaner mixtures were adopted, with less than 2% silver content.[2][3]
    Billon coins are perhaps best known from the Roman Empire, where progressive debasements of the Roman denarius and the Roman provincial tetradrachm in the second century AD led to declining silver and increasing bronze content in these denominations of coins. Eventually, by the third quarter of the second century AD, these coins were almost entirely bronze, with only a thin coating or even a wash of silver.[4]
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    Nero & Tiberius Billon Tetradrachm of Alexandria. Year 13.
     
  6. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Your link doesn't work, Randy. It searches Yahoo for Cointalk??

    From wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billon_(alloy)
     
  7. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    I also remember hearing about some modern billon coins just cant remember which
     
  8. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector


    whoops :eek: I just cut and paste the text from wiki, didnt mean for it to have the links
     
  9. EdwardJ

    EdwardJ 65 Year Old Junior Member

    Thanks guys! Ahab had it right for the wrong reason. Randy had the correct spelling, billon. No i after the l. I had my glasses on too and still did not catch that. What is it coming to?
     
  10. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    No! Your first post. Biollon is a link to a Yahoo search for cointalk here.
     
  11. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    I cut and pasted them both from wiki, wasnt tryen to post a link on either
     
  12. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    I know of no direct relation between "billon" and "billion," thought I do not think it impossible.

    Here's one of the best billon pieces I own:
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    Claudius II
    Alexandria, Egypt
    BI Tetradrachm
    Laureate, cuirassed bust r.
    Eagle standing left, head r. with wreath in beak
     
  13. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    yeah, I like that one. Also I dont think its limited to ancients i.e. I remember hearing about some modern coins being made of billon, just not where from
     
  14. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"




    Cool Coins :)
     
  15. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    I have examples up to the Middle Ages, there are certainly more out there.

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    Hugh IV Capet
    Duchy of Burgundy
    BI denier – 18mm
    Dijon, 1218-1272 AD
    +VGO BVRGVNDIE
    DUX in aniline
    +DIIONENSIS
    central cross with diagonal staff topped by three pellets on each side ​
     
  16. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    You will also find French pieces and German States pieces fromn the 1800's made of billon. There are plenty of others. Technically the 40% silver clad half dollars are billon since they are less than 50% silver
     
  17. EdwardJ

    EdwardJ 65 Year Old Junior Member

    Those are some nice pieces. FYI, I was looking at the Canoe Money of Siam made of Billon when I started the thread.
     
  18. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Switzerland had billon circulation coins between 1850 and 1877, for mid-range denominations. See here (no images, just the data): http://www.swissmint.ch/upload/_pdf/dokumentationen/d/KGuNKG-CHMuenzen.pdf

    According to this page (in German), the silver content of these coins was between 50/1000 and 150/1000. But as explained here before, other billon coins may have a somewhat higher silver content ...

    Christian
     
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