Completing an already complete Livia set: Livia, Livilla..aww let's just call the whole thing off

To start with, you can't blame folks for thinking the coin is part of a collection of coins in the name of Livia. It sure looks like it belongs in the set. But now it seems most believe this to be Livilla (Little Liva) as Pietas.

(I always get a kick out of what dorks the Julio-Claudi guys looked like on coins and what babes the ladies were!? Power. Huh)


Livilla (?)
Drusus Caesar. AD 19-23. Æ Dupondius (27.40mm, 13.18 g, 6h). Rome mint. Struck under Tiberius, AD 22-23. PIETAS, veiled, diademed, and draped bust of Livilla as Pietas (for years thought to be and listed as Livia) right / DRVSVS CAESAR TI · AVGVSTI F · TR POT ITER, large S · C. RIC I 43 (Tiberius); BMCRE 98 (Tiberius); BN 74. VG, Ex Marc Breitsprecher
"Claudia Julia Livia, nicknamed Livilla ("Little Livia"), was the daughter of Nero Claudius Drusus and Antonia Minor, and sister to Germanicus and the future emperor Claudius. Though Roman historians describe her as remarkably beautiful and charming, they also condemn her as a power-hungry adulteress and murderess. Tacitus accuses her of conspiring with her lover, the Praetorian Prefect Sejanus, to poison her husband, the imperial heir Drusus Caesar, who died in AD 23. This coin, struck in the name of Drusus shortly before his death, depicts on the obverse a veiled and classically beautiful woman as Pietas, goddess of religious piety and dutifulness. David Vagi has argued convincingly that the head represents Livilla, given that the other bronze coins issued the same year depict Drusus himself and the couple's twin sons, forming a "family set."

... but not the set that I originally signed up for. My three goddesses Livia set.
Here are the other 2 pretty sure Livia as goddess coins.


JULIA AUGUSTA (LIVIA). AUGUSTA,
14-29 A.D. AE Dupondius (31 mm, 13.13 gms), Rome Mint.
RIC-Tiberius 47. Bareheaded
and draped bust of Julia Augusta (Livia) as Salus Augusta right; Reverse: Large
S.C, inscription around. Light brown with some granularity. Nearly VERY FINE.
Former: Savoca



Livia, wife of Augustus
(died in 29 AD). AE As, struck under Tiberius, 22-23 AD. D / Diademed and draped bust of Livia (as Justitia) right; IVSTITIA below. R / TI CAESAR DIVI F AVG PM TR POT XXIIII around large SC. RIC (Tib.) 46. AE. g. 13.18 mm. 29.00 R. Rare. Dark green patina. F. Ex Artemide Aste

Livilla, Germanicus and Claudius papa:

NERO CLAUDIUS DRUSUS, father of Claudius, died 9 BC. Æ Sestertius (24.6 gm 33mm). Bare head / Claudius seated on curule chair, captured arms and armor at feet. RIC.193. VF, olive brown patina. Dent is under patina, probably ancient (damnatio ?) Purchased from Varian Museum Oct 2021

The thing that gets me is what happened to her after she and Sejanus, supposedly, masterminded the murder of Mr slap happy, Drusus:

(One of the many reasons that Sejanus hated Drusus, despite him being the son of his patronus ("patron") ,Tiberius, was the time that Drusus, straight up pimp, slapped him!)!


(Sejanus was one cold and calculating son of a gun)

Killed by a dead woman:


Once Apicata, Sejanus wife, found out about the murder of her three children she committed suicide... but before that shesent a letter to Tiberius letting him know that it was HER husband and the wife of Drusus that orchestrated the murder of his only son

(And you thought Daze of our life had twists and turns)

Dio says that due to the shame her own mother locked her up and starved Livilla to death.
If that's true then why with the no damnatio of her coins. This type is the easiest to come by and generally the cheapest (why I waited until last to buy this one). So, if they really are of one of the most easily to despise line of woman that are easy to despise then why would these coins not only seem to be plenty (such as my humble example) have used in commerce for decades or more weren't pulled from circulation and or desecrated?




So please post those Livia, Livilla, relatives of, wild Crack-pot theories, sets you've been working on, or anything that makes you smile

 

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My only Augustus and also my only Livia. Purchased at the first coin show that FFIVN and I went to specifically to look at ancient coins. See if you can figure out who is who...


Augustus and Livia
AE28
Turiaso Spain
Obverse: IMP AVGVSTVS P P, Bust of Augustus, laureate head right
Reverse: TVRIASO, Bust of Livia, right

 

(.. cant help much on the ID)..very kool direction-obsession collection there Ryro! ..i believe this is Livia on the back of my chipped(tho not as bad as i remember)Tiberius denarius.. 18mm, 3.15gms

 

And that isn't just any Tiberius seated Livia coin you're flashing there, that's the famous "tribute penny" coin. Though, I still have my suspicions that this is the TRUE coin referenced:


Here's my more popularly believed to be THE tribute penny:


That said, wonderful coin! Great toning, strike, centering and portrait of one of the most reviled emperors.

 

Nice awesom thread @Ryro !


RI Alexandria Livia, w Augustus Diobol CE 1-2 Æ 23.5mm 7.46g. Rev. Athena holding Nike Sheild ex Dattari-Savio Pl. 3 60-this coin RPC pag. 692-5-this coin R

 

Livia (30 B.C. - 29 A.D)
IONIA, Ephesos
Æ 16
Magistrate, Aristeas Asklepiades
O: Draped bust of Livia right, hair in a bun.
R: EFE GRAMMATEUS ARISTEAS ASKLHPI-ADHS in five lines across fields and in exergue, Stag standing right.
3.8g
16mm
RPC I 2576; SNG Cop 367

Rare

 

Here you go, @Ryro!

Livia, under Augustus, 27 BC - AD 13.
Roman Æ diobol, 7.41 g, 24.2 mm, 1 h.
Egypt, Alexandria, 6th series, AD 10-11.
Obv: Bare head right with Nodus hairstyle.
Rev: Date (LM=40) within oak wreath.
Refs: BMC 16.4, 31; SGI 209; Emmett 57; RPC 5054.
Notes: Lindgren sale 38, lot 110.


Livia, wife of Augustus, and Julia, daughter of Augustus.
Roman provincial Æ 17.2 mm, 3.44 g.
Mysia, Pergamon, 10 - 2 BC.
Obv: ΛΙΒΙΑΝ ΗΡΑΝ ΧΑΡΙΝΟΣ, draped bust of Livia as Hera, right.
Rev: ΙΟΥΛΙΑΝ ΑΦΡΟΔΙΤΗΝ, draped bust of Julia as Aphrodite, right.
Refs: RPC I 2359; BMC 15.139, 249; SGI 213; SNG Copenhagen-467; Vagi 370.

I believe this coin depicts Vipsania, the mother of Drusus. I find @Jasper Burns' article convincing (The Celator. 2004 May;18(5):6 and reprinted online).


Tiberius, AD 14-37.
Roman orichalcum Dupondius, 14.32 g, 29.15 mm, 1 h.
Rome, AD 22/23.
Obv: PIETAS, veiled, diademed and draped bust of (Vipsania? as) Pietas, right.
Rev: DRVSVS CAESAR TI AVGVSTI F TR POT ITER around large SC.
Refs: RIC Tiberius 43; BMCRE Tiberius 98; CBN Tiberius 74; Cohen 1; RCV 1741.

 

Great coins so far and thanks for the comments team!
So far no one has picked Livia And in a history altering move, thus far, the experts have it that the coin was in fact made in my name:

Hey, who am I to disagree with experts?
Here's some more Livia on coins.


And a coin with her and another Julio-Claudi woman who was tortured and murdered, Augustus only child, Julia the elder: