What do I call this mint error?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Insider, Feb 2, 2022.

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What is this mint error?

  1. Railroad rim.

  2. Misaligned collar.

  3. Defective collar reeding.

  4. split edge.

  5. partial collar strike

  6. Jewelry damage

  7. PMD

  8. Cracked collar

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  1. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    I cannot decide what to call the error on the edge of my gold dollar. A reeded collar holds the gold planchet when it is struck. Or is it something else? Here are my thoughts in a poll.

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  3. GH#75

    GH#75 Trying to get 8 hours of sleep in 4. . .

    Call it a tinfoil coin. Looks like the edge of a gold foil chocolate coin!
     
  4. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    What kind of a gold dollar is it?

    Can we see the obv. & rev. photos?

    Based upon the one photo above, I'd
    say it's a 'double strike in the collar'.
     
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  5. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    At first I was thinking jewelry damage but I remember something about a cast seam?it's basically a counterfeit coin and this is what the edge looks like after the molds have been put together.
     
  6. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else Supporter

    This is just a guess. The collar cracked on a previous strike and the two pieces moved slightly before the next strike
     
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  7. Kentucky

    Kentucky Well-Known Member

    I would guess fake.
     
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  8. halfcent1793

    halfcent1793 Well-Known Member

    Fake wasn't an option, but if it had been, that's where I would have gone.
     
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  9. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Hmm. Maybe someone tried to do a face transplant onto a rare (C or D) coin whose obverse was badly damaged, or carved into a love token?

    Edit: in other words, I'd call it "enemy action".
     
  10. Hard to say. On bottom half, in the pic, the diameter is smaller, the reeds are more narrow & the halves appear out of alignment. Possibly a mint worker was goofing around or it popped out & was put back in Reeder wheel crooked, who knows. Do not believe it is a recognized error, probable just machine damage. Hope the weight checks out okay
     
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  11. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    IN collar would explain the same details reeding with a split looking seem, I would argue that obv and rev photos are needed to make a positive assumption. Honestly it is hard to assume that this wasn't in a lucky type holder.
     
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  12. Phil's Coins

    Phil's Coins Well-Known Member

    This looks like a badly cast coin. Hope I am wrong.
    Semper Fi
    Phil
     
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  13. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    If this were a partial-collar strike, we wouldn't see reeds on both sides of the discontinuity.

    If this were jewelry/mount damage, I'd expect to see vertical striations on the reeds that were forced into the holder. I don't. If it were a clamping holder, I wouldn't expect to see such a sharp edge between top and bottom. It looks like a cut, not a stamp.

    Defective collar reeding? I dunno -- I don't know the details of how reeded collars are made, but it's hard to imagine a process that would produce this kind of continuity.

    Cracked collar? I guess a collar could crack longitudinally like this, but it seems really unlikely. But, see above; I just don't know.
     
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  14. manny9655

    manny9655 Well-Known Member

    I'm going to say that it's a collar clash. Otherwise why would the reeding above the "seam" be wider than the reeding below it? The reeding doesn't line up. All this assumes that the coin is genuine, of course.
     
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  15. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    I'm going to say, more pictures please, thank you. Good luck.
     
  16. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    If I had the coin in hand, I'd see whether the top half is larger in diameter around the entire circumference, or if the two halves are offset. I'd also see whether the reed count is the same on both halves, although I find it hard to believe it would differ.
     
  17. John Burgess

    John Burgess Well-Known Member

    You are the grader, call it whatever you like, the customer will always disagree with your assessment unless you grade it SP70 and put "trial strike" on the slab.

    J/K, this is all sarcasm and joking, but somewhat how it is, carry on.

    BTW, not for nothing, but that looks like a casting seam to me.

    *Edit* yeah, call it an electrotype counterfeit.
     
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  18. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    You always hate to show us the whole coin, but without seeing it in its entirety, it is hard to say what is going on. My first thought was that it was either a cast coin or a magicians coin, both of which we should be able to see indicators on the full coin.
     
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  19. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    I don't see it as a cast fake. If it were cast, I'd expect a flange between the two halfs.
     
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  20. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Fred Weinberg, posted: "What kind of a gold dollar is it? Can we see the obv. & rev. photos? Based upon the one photo above, I'd say it's a 'double strike in the collar'."

    Mr.Q, posted: "I'm going to say, more pictures please, thank you. Good luck."

    Sorry, I forgot all about this post of mine. You guys should know I don't post images of the entire coin. The answers here from many of you have given me a lot of stuff to research about collar errors! THANKS.

    Most of you know I am a :troll: that delights in making you think. True to that, I did not post the option of counterfeit. This is a "counterfeit gold coin made up of two cast halves" joined together in order to make a rare "D" mint!

    This was the first type of this alteration I have ever seen in fifty years! I wish I owned it. If would have posted an image of the entire coin, but it is so crude that my six year old would have known it was a fake.
     
  21. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    Can you post both complete sides now? Jim
     
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