2 new rulers added, both with the same name

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  1. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    ... and the name is Valerian.
    I am fully aware that getting a complete "one coin per emperor" collection is impossible simply because some rulers are way too expensive. But when I have the opportunity, the coin is decent and the price is more decent, why not.
    Already managed to add, recently, Carus, Carinus, Numerian, Herennia Etruscilla. Nothing spectacular but ticking a box is always satisfying.

    Valerian, although common, eluded me because I had the ambition to get a decent coin under 25 EUR.
    Finally happened today and I am satisfied with this coin, good Valerian portrait, well centered and a nice reverse.

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    Valerian I AD 255-256. Samosata
    Billon Antoninianus
    20 mm, 2,92 g
    IMP C P LIC VALERIANVS P F AVG, bust of Valerian, radiate, draped, right / RESTITVT ORIENTIS, turreted woman (the Orient), draped, standing right, presenting wreath to emperor, standing left, holding spear in left hand
    RIC V Valerian 287; Göbl 1685e; RSC 189.

    What I cannot "unsee" since I noticed this coin is the turreted woman. Say whatever you want, but the image that remained into my brain is a magician with a top hat who presents a rabbit.
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    And since there was a Valerian II, although in a modest condition, I decided to have a go.
    Nothing to write home about, but getting it for 10 EUR is a good deal.
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    Valerian II, Caesar AD 254-255. Rome
    Billon Antoninianus
    22 mm, 2,34 g
    P LIC VALERIANVS CAES, bust of Valerian II, radiate, draped, right / PIETAS AVGG, Sacrificial implements, variously arranged
    RIC V Valerian II 19

    Please post
    - coins from Valerian I or II
    - coins where some images look like something completely different at first sight (yes, the turreted Orient still looks like a magician for me)
     
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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    His history alone makes him fun to collect.

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    Valerian I (253 - 260 A.D.)
    PHRYGIA. Cotiaeum
    Æ Tetrassarion
    O: AYT K Π ΛIK OYAΛЄPIANON Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust of Valerian I to right, seen from behind.
    R: ЄΠI Π AI ΔHMHTPIANOY ΙΠΠ - AP/X // KOTIAEΩN Hygieia standing right, holding serpent, and Asklepiois standing facing, head to left, leaning right on serpent-entwined staff; between them, Telesphoros standing facing.
    8g
    24mm
    SNG München 333. SNG von Aulock 3791.

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    Valerian I (253 - 260 A.D.)
    AR Antoninianus
    O: IMP C P LIC VALERIANVS AVG, radiate, draped bust right.
    R: CONCORDIA EXERCIT, Concordia standing left holding patera and double cornucopiae.
    21mm
    3g
    RIC 81, Cohen 39; Sear 9929.

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    Valerian II, (256 - 258 A.D.)
    Egypt, Alexandria
    Billon Tetradrachm
    O: P LIK KOR OVALERIANOC KAIC CEB, Draped and cuirassed bust of Valerian right.
    R: Alexandria wearing mural crown standing left holding bust of Serapis and scepter, L E (Year 5) across fields.
    10.35g
    22mm
    Emmett 3763 // Milne 3981

    Published on wildwinds!

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    Valerian I (253 - 260 A.D.)
    Egypt, Alexandria
    Billon Tetradrachm
    O: A K Π ΛI OVAΛEPIANOC EV EVC, Laureate and cuirassed bust right
    R: Tyche seated left, holding rudder and cornucopia; L Δ (Year 4, 256/7 A.D.) to upper left.
    10.54g
    24mm
    Köln 2867; Dattari (Savio) 5174; K&G 88.28; Emmett 3721.4.

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    Valerian I (253 - 260 A.D.)
    AR Antoninianus
    O: IMP C P LIC VALERIANVS AVG, radiate and draped bust right.
    R: FORTVNA REDVX, Mercury standing left, holding purse and caduceus.
    Antioch Mint, 254 - 255 A.D.
    21mm
    3.98g
    RIC V 214; MIR 36, 1561a; RSC 75

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    Valerian II (256 - 258 A.D.)
    AR Antoninianus
    O: VALERIANVS CAES, Radiate and draped bust right.
    R: IOVI CRESCENNI, Infant Jupiter seated facing on goat (Amalthea) standing right,his right hand raised.
    Colonia Agrippinensis (Cologne) mint
    4.34g
    23mm
    RIC 3 RSC 26
     
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  4. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Nice pick-up, @ambr0zie! I have the Gallienus version of that reverse type. It's one of the first ancient coins I ever purchased, from a brick-and-mortar coin shop back in the 1980s.

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    Gallienus, AD 253-268.
    Roman Billon Antoninianus, 4.40 g; 23.5 mm.
    Samosata, AD 255-256.
    Obv: IMP C P LIC GALLIENVS AVG, radiate and draped bust, right.
    Rev: RESTITVT ORIENTIS, Tyche, left, presenting wreath to emperor, right, who holds spear in left.
    Refs: RIC 448; RSC 902; Cohen 902; RCV 10341; Hunter p. xlvii; Göbl 1677m.

    Here's a Valerian from the same mint (probably) to stay on topic! The ANS attributes this issue to Cyzicus, Göbl to Samosata, and RIC to Antioch. According to the introduction of RIC volume V, during Valerian's reign, some coins minted in Asia cannot certainly be attributed to either Antioch or Cyzicus (p.22-26). RIC dates this issue to AD 255-56.

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    Valerian I, AD 253-260.
    Roman AR antoninianus, 2.75 g, 20 mm, 7 h.
    Uncertain Eastern mint, 2nd emission, AD 256-260.
    Obv: IMP C P LIC VALERIANVS·P·F·AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from the front.
    Rev: PIETAS AVGG, Valerian, holding eagle-tipped scepter, and Gallienus, holding parazonium, standing facing each other, sacrificing over lighted altar between them.
    Refs: RIC 285; Göbl 1684e; Cohen/RSC 152; RCV 9955; Hunter 73.
     
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  5. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ...a fun family to collect! :) IMG_0531.JPG IMG_0532.JPG
     
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  6. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Nice pick-ups, @ambr0zie - I really like the coins of the House of Valerian. So far in 2022, I've added one - the Apollo drawing a bow type had been on my wish list for a while. Although I wish the reverse die wasn't so worn, it was affordable and these don't come along in my price range very often:

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    Valerian I Antoninianus
    (253 A.D.)
    Rome Mint

    IMP C P LIC VALERIANVS AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right / APOLINI
    PROPVG, Apollo, nude except for cloak flying behind, standing right, drawing bow.
    RIC 74cA; Göbl 44d.
    (3.26 grams / 20 x 18 mm)
    eBay Jan. 2022 MAWbd
     
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  7. Julius Germanicus

    Julius Germanicus Well-Known Member

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    VALERIANVS CAES - Radiate and draped bust of Valerian II right /
    IOVI CRESCENTI - child Jupiter riding right on the goat Amalthea, looking left, right hand raised, left hand holding goat´s horn
    Antoninianus, Lugdunum or Cologne (?), late 256- early 258
    RIC 3, Göbl/MIR 907e, Elmer 67a, Sear 10731
     
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  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    VALERIAN I

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    RI Valerian I 253-260 CE AE 20mm Alexandria Troas mint Horse Grazing



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    RI Valerian I 253-260 CE AR Ant Felicitas stndg Caduceus and Cornucopia
     
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  9. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    VALERIAN II

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    RI Valerian II 256-258 CE Silvered Ant PRINCIP IVVENTVS
     
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  10. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    This Savoca auction also had an interesting selection of Group III Istros fractions.
     
  11. John Wright

    John Wright Well-Known Member

    Since I mostly do sestertii ... My Valerian 1&2 look like this. 34A---Valerian1      18'4.jpg 34C---Valerian2      21'5.jpg
     
  12. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

  13. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

  14. wittwolf

    wittwolf Well-Known Member

    Nice coins everyone, sadly both guys had a sad ending but here Valerian I. and II. from my collection:
    Emperor Valerian (I.) - Antoninianus - VICTORIA AVGG - Rome mint
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    Valerian (II.) Caesar - Antoninianus - PRINC IVVENTVTIS - Antioch mint

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  15. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    @ambr0zie, my first thought on seeing that reverse was also a man in a top hat. Although my mind went to Uncle Sam rather than a magician!

    Valerian I:

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    Valerian II:

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  16. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    Good looking coins of an ugly looking emperor @ambr0zie :cigar:
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  17. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    To my way of thinking, your Valerian I is the best selection if you are to have just one coin of his. It refers to how he benefitted the East. He died as a slave in the East. Ironic? These are usually found on poor metal. There are earlier ones with better silver and later ones where the copper content overpowered the lesser silver but this particular period just was not a good choice for making strong coins.
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    I guess any coin related to the East would be as good but I favor the one you have.
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  18. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    Thank you all for sharing your Valerians.
    I am happy, especially with Valerian I. Day 1 of the auction wasn't very successful as my strategy was incorrect, I let some interesting coins pass (although the prices were surprisingly high) as I was hunting a major target. That one went for double my estimation and I didn't feel the price was objective. So I let that one pass too.
    Today I bought 4 coins, all snacks, nothing special, but still happy - the other 2 are a Salonina IVNONI REGINAE with a doe (other sources mention combination between goat and stag - so Salonina was "copying" her husband's favorite theme) and I added another Gallienus from the Zoo series - with Pegasus, having a nice Gallienus portrait.
     
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  19. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    So with Valerian I and II, and Salonina, and Gallienus, now I guess you need to complete the family with one of these if you haven't already done so:

    Diva Mariniana (deceased wife of Valerian I), Silvered Billon Antoninianus. 254-258 AD, Viminacium [Rome?] Mint. Obv. DIVAE MARINIANAE, Veiled and draped bust right on crescent/ Rev. CONSECRATIO, Peacock standing, head right, tail in splendor. RSC IV 4, RIC V-1 4, Sear RCV III 10068. 21.5 mm., 3.9 g.

    COMBINED Diva Mariniana.jpg
     
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  20. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    Didn't find a Diva Mariniana yet to fulfill my conditions - attractive and cheap - or anyway, decent price. No hurry though.
    Also no Saloninus yet but, again, no pressure.
     
  21. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ..i need one o dem 2....that's a nice'un Donna! :)..and i see @Ryro's got one also...and the provenance of my 'mostly' silver Valerian is from @dougsmit collection :)
     
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