I bought a Justinian I Ravenna follis

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  1. nerosmyfavorite68

    nerosmyfavorite68 Well-Known Member

    I'll post more details when I get it; I don't want to jinx myself. It looks like poo (wear), but beggars can't be choosers with this series. It's been one of my bucket list coins for many years.


    Were I more deep-pocketed, I'd collect Italian mint Byzantine coins.

    A realistic portrait (as Byzantine coins go) Justinian I right facing bust follis is another one I want; certainly more attainable than Ravenna. A really nice Vaballathus/Aurelian Tet is another, but those come up fairly often.
     
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  3. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    I hope the coin has a safe journey to your mailbox. Please post a pic when you receive it.
     
  4. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    Pictures or it didn't happen:rolleyes:
    Here's my Vabal and Aurelian Antoninianus;
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    VABALATHUS & Aurelian
    271-272 AD. Antoninianus Antioch mint. IMP C AVRELIANVS AVG, radiate and cuirassed bust of Aurelian right; S below / VABALATHVS VCRIMDR, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust of Vabalathus right, seen from behind. RIC V
     
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  5. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    I don't have Ravenna mint yet but I do have a Justinian follis and half-follis from Rome:

    Justinian I, Byzantine Empire
    AE follis
    Obv: D N IVSTINI-ANVS P P AVG, pearl-diademed, draped, bust right
    Rev: Large M, cross above, cross to left, star to right, all within wreath
    Mint: Rome
    Mintmark: ROMA (in exergue)
    Date: 537-542 AD
    Ref: SB 293

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    Justinian I, Byzantine Empire
    AE half-follis
    Obv: D N IVSTI-NIANVS, diademed, draped, and cuirassed bust right
    Rev: Large K, star to left, cross to right, all within wreath
    Mint: Rome
    Date: 537-542 AD
    Ref: SB 301

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    Also, here are my Antioch and Constantinople-mint folles:

    Justinian I, Byzantine Empire
    AE follis
    Obv: D N IVSTINI-ANVS P P AVG, diademed, helmeted, cuirassed bust facing, holding globus cruciger and shield, cross to right
    Rev. Large M, cross above, officina letter Δ below, ANNO to left, XX to right, mintmark QHЧΠ in ex
    Mint: Theopolis (Antioch)
    Date: 546/7 (year 20)
    Ref: SB 220
    Size: 19.9 gr., 39 mm

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    Justinian I, Byzantine Empire
    AE follis
    Obv: D N IVSTINIANVS P P AVG, diademed, helmeted, cuirassed bust facing, holding globus cruciger and shield, cross to right
    Rev. Large M, cross above, officina letter B below, ANNO to left, XЧ to right, CON in ex.
    Mint: Constantinople
    Date: 541/2 (year 15)
    Ref: SB 163.
    Size: 23.30g, 39mm

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    One of my goals is to collect a Justinian follis from each city that minted them, but right now this is on the backburner as I expand my Ptolemaic collection. But I might cave if I come across a nice follis at a good price, though... :D
     
  6. nerosmyfavorite68

    nerosmyfavorite68 Well-Known Member

    Those are nice. I wander in and out of collecting Byzantine.

    I haven't opened my Byzantine Sear in a while, but off the top of my head Salona and the uncertain Italian mint would be the hardest. And was there a Spanish one?

    My mom always called Byzantine coins 'slag heaps.' My favorite Byzantine AE are Year 12-14 Justinian Folles and the large module Heraclius SCL mint.
     
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  7. nerosmyfavorite68

    nerosmyfavorite68 Well-Known Member

    At least the avatar chooser was pretty easy. I chose haunting for the mood because I liked the ghost, and it was something different.

    Ravenna folles of Justinian seem to be unobtanium, in any condition. I wonder if Constantinople issues filled the gaps in Ravenna?

    I'll post the picture and details when I get the item in hand.
     
  8. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    Wonder if this is the Vabalathus/Aurelian Tetradrachm you mention @nerosmyfavorite68 ?

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  9. nerosmyfavorite68

    nerosmyfavorite68 Well-Known Member

    Yes, that's the general series of Vab. Tets. I'd like to pick one up in good VF or XF.
     
  10. Voulgaroktonou

    Voulgaroktonou Well-Known Member

    Congratulations on a great coin - can't wait to see your photo! Here is one of mine from Year 37 (563/4). 8.47 gr. 28.3 mm. 7h. Sear 323; Hahn 233 (this coin). Ex Coin Galleries Mail Bid Sale 11/12/2003, lot 247; ex Berk England 12/7/89, lot 45; ex Waddell 10 July-Aug. 1984, lot 57.
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  11. nerosmyfavorite68

    nerosmyfavorite68 Well-Known Member

    Wow, the above coin is definitely better than my slag heap (my mom's phrase for Byzantine coins)! That is spectacular for the issue!

    Voulgaroktonou's piece is the clear winner of Ravennas.

    But, a decrepit placeholder of a super rare type is better than none at all. A Ravenna Justinian follis is pretty much unobtanium at any price.

    Description borrowed from the dealer's:
    Title: *Sear 323* Byzantine Empire. Justinian I (AD 527-565) Æ Follis
    Attribution: Sear Byzantine 323 Ravenna mint
    Date: Dated Year 34 - AD 560/1
    Obverse: Helmeted and cuirassed bust facing, holding globus cruciger, cross to right
    Reverse: Large M, A/N/N/O to left, cross above, X / XX / IIII (date) in left field, RAVEN / NA below
    Size: 34.13mm
    Weight: 8.81 grams
    From the Peter Lee Collection.
    ex Ancient Imports
    *I haven't pulled out Sear, but I remember Sear's being in pretty decrepit condition and having an irregular flan. Is this the same coin, I wonder?



    (me) Grade: aVG

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    Coins like this present the conondum; would one rather have the super rare one in decrepit shape or a common one, like Hadrian, in XF? Both have their merits, but with something like Priscus Attalus or an EID MAR, I'd rather have the decrepit one.
     
  12. nerosmyfavorite68

    nerosmyfavorite68 Well-Known Member

    What was the name of the Chicago firm in the Schubert Theater, 22 West Monroe, if I remember correctly? They were active in the 90s; the father was an elderly gent from Austria. Anyway, they had a really nice Heraclius Seleucia (or it might have been Isaura), which I should have bought, but I was a broke teenager at the time.
     
  13. Voulgaroktonou

    Voulgaroktonou Well-Known Member

    This would be Karl Subak and his son Jon (John?). Have not been to Chicago for several years, but when I have gone, a visit there is one of my highlights.
     
  14. Voulgaroktonou

    Voulgaroktonou Well-Known Member

    @nerosmyfavorite68, I must chuckle at your mom's expression, "slag heap" for Byzantine coins. Sounds like that of my wife, whose professional training was in classical Greek art; although she is polite, I know she looks askance at my love for them. "But come on, Susan, here are some of my John VIII stavrata - are they not beautiful?"
    S2564 John VIII Stavrata.jpg
     
  15. nerosmyfavorite68

    nerosmyfavorite68 Well-Known Member

    That's quite an impressive Byzantine collection. The Ravenna mint has always been my favorite, although 40 nummi rarely show up.
     
  16. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

    He must have moved. I visited his office in about 1980 and it was on the 19th or 20th floor in a building on East Adams street in downtown Chicago…..as I recollect. I met his son once in about 2003 at the FUN show. He had a table there. I don’t know if the father is still alive. I doubt it. He was in his sixties when I visited with him.
     
  17. Voulgaroktonou

    Voulgaroktonou Well-Known Member

    It's been quite a few years since my last visit, but my memory agrees with your address.
     
  18. Voulgaroktonou

    Voulgaroktonou Well-Known Member

    Thank you. Here's my single Ravennate hexagram of Heraclius.
    6.04 gr. 25 mm. 6h. Sear 903; Hahn 153; DO 277; BNP 1-3; BM 440-41; T. 221-2; Yannopoulos 390-400.
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