Help with Recent A.Pius AS pick up please.

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  1. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    Here's a new addition to my Antoninus Pius set....

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    Antoninus Pius AD 138-161. Æ As (27.1mm, 8.14 g.)..Rome mint, struck AD 139.
    Obv. IMP T AEL CAES HADRI ANTONINVS AVG PIVS, laureate head right.
    Rev. P M TR POT COS II S-C, Fortuna standing left, holding rudder and cornucopia.
    RIC II 533c (scarce)..Minted 139 AD , without globe and COS II rather than COS III.

    Quite an uncommon early emission... From what I can make out there were 2 types minted, Bare headed and Laureate (the op)..What's confusing me is the sellers reference RICII#533c and the obverse legend part 'HADRI AN TONINVS'?....I'm not seeing an 'I'...'HADR AN TONINVS'....Wildwinds has examples of 533a and 533b no 'c' and both examples show a very clear 'I'.....Looking through examples online a great deal are misreferenced having the rudder ontop of a globe...Any help will be much appreciated as I'm probably missing something quite basic here?...Thanks Paul
    See details below..
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    Please feel free to post your Antoninus Pius Bronzes....
     
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  3. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Here's the British Museum specimen of RIC 533b. Note the HADR ANTONINVS inscription.

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    533c has a left-facing bust.

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  4. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Here's my favorite Antoninus Pius bronze because it shows his daughter as Pietas and his grandchildren on the reverse:

    Antoninus Pius PIETATI AVG COS IIII Fecunditas Sestertius.jpg
     
  5. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    @Roman Collector.....Thank you so much, really appreciated...
    I did see the 533c on OCRE but it was using RICIII...Is there a difference between II and III?......wildwinds example clearly shows an 'I' is this misattributed?
     
  6. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    RIC II has Vespasian to Hadrian and RIC III has the Antonines. RIC III is an older edition. They are updating it piecemeal, with the revised Hadrian volume out now, but no update on the Antonine coinage yet.
     
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  7. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    Thanks...btw Nice Sestertius!
    I have the same type but not as nice!
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  8. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Nice coin, @Spaniard

    I think I have the same type; my attributions from a couple years ago are fairly suspect, so this may need some revisions, but I think it is RIC 533c - mine is missing the ANTON... part of the legend, but HADRI with the I is visible:

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    Antoninus Pius Æ As
    (c. 139-140 A.D.)
    Rome Mint

    IMP T AEL CAES HADRI [ANTONIN]VS AVG PIVS, laureate head right / [P M TR
    POT] COS II S-C, Fortuna standing left, holding rudder and cornucopiae.
    RIC 533b; Cohen 650.
    (9.57 grams / 28 mm)
    eBay Apr. 2018
     
    Last edited: Jan 21, 2022
  9. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    @Marsyas Mike .....Thanks for posting this....Nice coin!....According to the BM example posted by @Roman Collector RIC#533b shouldn't have an 'I' ? As per the op.....I'm now confused??
     
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  10. curtislclay

    curtislclay Well-Known Member

    According to Strack 753, there are specimens of this As with HADRI in Paris, Munich, and Vatican; and with just HADR in Berlin, BM, and Vienna.
     
  11. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    Thanks @curtislclay ....So basically what you're saying is we don't know?...With ' I' or without they are referenced the same?
     
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  12. curtislclay

    curtislclay Well-Known Member

    The same Strack number applies to both varieties. Those with HADRI are enclosed with brackets in the list of specimens.
     
  13. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    @curtislclay ...Thanks....I do wonder though if it was just an Oficina typo?
     
  14. curtislclay

    curtislclay Well-Known Member

    Both legends were intentional. HADRI changed to HADR towards the end of 138. However hybrids still showing HADRI after 1 Jan. 139 (COS II) are fairly common, especially on bronzes.
     
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  15. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    So the OP coin was probably minted in 138 not 139?
    Curtis what is your overall opinion of the op ?
     
  16. curtislclay

    curtislclay Well-Known Member

    COS II definitely means 139 not 138.
     
  17. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    @curtislclay .....Thanks for your input, much appreciated......Paul
     
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  18. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    I second that thanks! My attribution flip has been updated according to all this useful information.

    New flip:

    Antoninus Pius Æ As
    (139 A.D.)
    Rome Mint

    IMP [T] AEL CAES HADRI
    [ANTONIN]VS AVG PIVS,
    laureate head right / P M TR
    POT COS [II] S-C, Fortuna
    standing left, holding rudder
    and cornucopiae.
    RIC 533b; Cohen 650.
    (9.57 grams / 28 x 26 mm)
    eBay Apr. 2018 $6.00 B.O.

    Attribution Notes:
    Obverse legend HADRI with I.
    "According to Strack 753, there are
    specimens of this As with HADRI
    in Paris, Munich, and Vatican; and
    with just HADR in Berlin, BM, and
    Vienna...HADRI changed to HADR
    towards the end of 138...hybrids still
    showing HADRI after 1 Jan. 139
    (COS II) are fairly common,
    especially on bronzes."
    Curtis Clay CT Jan. 2022
     
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