Unsold but Not Unworthy

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  1. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    I picked up this neat Vespasian obol as an unsold lot from one of CNG's recent eAuctions. Why it didn't receive any bids at all is baffling to me. It's a handsome coin with a nice Egyptian themed reverse.



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    Vespasian
    Æ Obol, 6.59g
    Alexandria mint, 72-73 AD
    Obv: ΑΥΤΟΚ ΚΑΙΣ ΣΕΒΑ ΟΥΕΣΠΑΣΙΑΝΟΥ; Head of Vespasian, laureate, r.
    Rev: LE; Hawk standing, r.
    RPC 2440 (15 spec.). Emmett 222.5. Dattari-Savio 415-16.
    Ex CNG eAuction 507, 5 January 2022, lot 329.

    The reverse design of this type has variously been described in numismatic catalogues as either a hawk or falcon standing right. The bird in question is wearing a pschent crown and is almost certainly a reference to the Egyptian god Horus. The Lanner falcon, native to Egypt and north Africa, was likely the bird upon which the ancient Egyptians based their depictions of Horus and is likely the one shown on the obol's reverse.

    Post your falcons, hawks, or any other birds of prey.

    Thank you for looking!
     
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  3. robinjojo

    robinjojo Well-Known Member

    That's a nice pick up! Some very good buys can be had in the "remainders" sale, if one has a good eye and knowldege on a give type.

    Here's a cast AE 36 from Olbia, featuring a sea eagle on the reverse, clutcing a dolphin, but actually looks more like Ahab's white whale.

    20.1 grams

    D-Camera Olbia., Gorgoneion, Ca. 400-380 BC. Æ cast 36mm, 20.1 grams, 9-17-20.jpg
     
  4. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    @David Atherton....What a nice, interesting pick up!...Cetainly is a handsome coin with a strong Roman portrait!...intriguing reverse too...Congrats.
    Here's my Secret Saturnalia coin....Still don't know who they are but thanks again!

    SYRIA, Seleucis and Pieria. Antioch. Gordian III, AD 238-244.
    AR Tetradrachm, 28mm, 13.7g, 6h, struck AD 238-240.
    Obv..Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right.
    Rev..Eagle standing facing with spread wings, head turned to left, holding wreath in beak. //SC.....McAlee 862.....Prieur 279.

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  5. cwart

    cwart Senior Member Supporter

    Same coin as @David Atherton just more worn and not as nice looking... He wins this round. ;)

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  6. Parthicus

    Parthicus Well-Known Member

    This AR dirham of the Ilkhan ruler Ghazan Mahmud (694-703 AH/1295-1304 AD) features a hawk on the reverse:
    Ilkhan bird.jpg
     
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  7. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    @David Atherton - congratulations!
    I am always happy for a collector who gets a nice overlooked coin in his or her area of interest. The coin is very OK and I'm sure it has its special place in your collection.

    I have never bought a coin from unsold lots. Also my only birds of prey in my collection are plain old eagles but here is one I am very fond of, as it is a type I always wanted, but missed some - the nice ones were too expensive and the affordable ones with too many issues.
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    Moesia. Istrus circa 280 - 256/255 BC
    Obol or Trihemiobol AR 12 mm, 0,77 g
    Facing male heads, the left one inverted / IΣTΡIH, Sea-eagle left on dolphin, ΔI beneath dolphin.
    Dima, Tabelul III, Grupa IV, Subgrupa VII, II – Pl XXI, 10

    A rare variety with left head inverted and eagle and dolphin facing right. It was a big surprise that people didn't like this and the price was more (or less) than my most optimistic expectations.
     
  8. Bronwen

    Bronwen Member

    Does the dolphin have a fish?
     
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  9. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I almost bid on that coin. There were some very nice Egyptians in that auction. You know how it is though - too many coins, too little money.
     
  10. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    Not sure if that was a question for me, but it makes me wonder now.
    Just checked the plate coin in the reference I found it and it seems that on that one also the dolphin has a fish . Interesting.
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  11. kirispupis

    kirispupis Well-Known Member

    That's a cute obol!

    Here's a few of mine with eagles.

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    Chr. KINGDOM OF EGYPT - PTOLEMAIOS III EUERGETES
    dichalkon 3,36gr. | bronze Ø 17mm.
    Minted in Telmessos (Lycia) by Ptolemy Epigonos or Lysimachos 246-221 BCE
    Svoronos 118,793 (Plate 25, 23) | SNG.Copenhagen- | Weiser 80 | Lorber B437
    weight 3,36gr. | bronze Ø 17mm.
    obv. Horned head of Zeus-Ammon right, wearing taenia
    rev. Eagle with closed wings standing left on thunderbolt, tripod in left field,
    BAΣIΛEΩΣ on right, ΠTOΛEMAIOY on left
    Ex Henzen

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    Ptolemaic Kingdom of Egypt, Ptolemy II Philadelphos
    AR Tetradrachm. Tyre, dated RY 30 = 256/5 BCE
    14.01g, 25mm, 12h.
    Diademed head of Ptolemy I to right, wearing aegis around neck / ΠΤΟΛEΜΑΙOΥ [BAΣΙΛEΩΣ], eagle standing to left; monogram of Tyre above club to left; Λ (date) above monogram to right; A between legs.
    CPE 577; Svoronos 657; SNG Copenhagen 488; DCA 20
    Ex collection of R. N. Draskowski;
    Ex Ephesus Numismatics, North Carolina, USA

    Here's a hawk (my photo).
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    Red-tailed hawk
    570mm 1087g
    Obverse: streaked belly
    Reverse: dark bar between shoulder and wrist
    Audobon 51
    ex Ridgefield Wildlife Refuge
     
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  12. Muzyck

    Muzyck Rabbits!

    Recent purchase

    EGYPT, Claudius II, 268-270 AD, tetradrachm, year 2 (269 AD), Alexandria mint, Obverse: laureate bust R, ΑΥΤ ΚΛΑΥΔΙΟΣ ΣΕΒ, Reverse: eagle standing R, head turned L, wreath in beak, LB, billon

    EGYPT, Claudius II, 268-270 AD, tetradrachm, year 2 (269 AD), Alexandria mint obv B-side.jpg
     
  13. Bronwen

    Bronwen Member

    Yes, The descriptions of coins seem to be so detailed (I'm the glyptics intruder here), I was surprised there was no mention of what the dolphin has in its mouth.
     
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  14. Bronwen

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  15. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    I would have to read more on this topic - it is really interesting and I'm surprised in a bad way I didn't pay attention to the aspect.

    Here is another coin I like a lot. Main reason - it belonged to one of the CT members I admire the most - @Ryro . It is almost scary that a coin was minted and used in Rome almost 2000 years ago, somehow reached the United States and now went to me - more than 5000 miles away.
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    Titus, as Caesar AD 76-78. Rome. Denarius AR. 18 mm, 3,28 g
    AD 76
    T CAESAR IMP VESPASIAN, head of Titus, laureate, right / COS V, Eagle with wings spread, standing front on cippus, head left
    RSC 59a; RIC 191a; RIC2 861; ex Ryro
     
  16. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    At first I thought it was a previously unrecorded type, a Vespasian obol of year 5 with eagle standing right, head left... but that's the hawk's crown :).

    Mine is weakly struck, worn, and rather corroded. Nice bold date though. :hilarious:

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    EGYPT, Alexandria. Vespasian
    year 5, CE 72/3
    obol, 21 mm, 5.2 gm
    Obv: AVTOKKAIΣΣEBAOVEΣΠAΣIANOV; laureate bust right
    Rev: hawk standing right; LE in left field
    Ref: Emmett 222.5, Milne 430

    More Egyptian hawks:

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    EGYPT, Alexandria. Antoninus Pius
    year 19, CE 155/6
    AE obol, 18.5 mm, 4.26 gm
    Obv: laureate head right
    Rev: Hawk or Horus falcon standing right, wearing skhent; LI - [Θ]
    Ref: Dattari-Savio Pl. 165, 3134 (this coin); Geissen --; Emmett 1774.19, R5
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    EGYPT, Alexandria. Trajan
    year 11, CE 107/48
    AE obol, 20 mm, 4.76 gm
    Obv: Laureate head right
    Rev: Horus falcon (or hawk) standing r., wearing skhent; in field LI/A.
    Ref: Geissen - cf 473. Dattari 1233
     
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  17. romismatist

    romismatist Well-Known Member

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  18. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Surprised it didn't get any bids, that's a nice one, David. Congrats.
     
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  19. happy_collector

    happy_collector Well-Known Member

    Nice pickup, David.

    Here is my Troas coin with an eagle reverse design. :)
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    Troas, Alexandria, Pseudo-autonomous issue, c. mid 3rd century AD. Æ
    Obv: Turreted and draped bust of Tyche r.; vexillum behind.
    Rev: Eagle standing r. on forepart of a bull.
    21mm, 6.66g, 12h.
    Bellinger A490
    London Ancient Coins. Nov 2021.
     
  20. Edessa

    Edessa Well-Known Member

    Sicily, Akragas. Circa 450-415/06 BC. Æ Hemilitron (27mm, 13.27g, 10h). Obv: Eagle right, clutching dead hare in talons. Rev: Crab, crayfish below, six pellets (mark of value) around. Ref: CNS 10 variant (location of ethnic); SNG ANS -. From the Collection of Dick Schultz. Near Very Fine, attractive green patina, obverse metal flaw, beveled flan. Ex-CNG eAuction 276, Lot 18.

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  21. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Thank you everyone for the kind replies here. But I now can honestly say this coin is indeed "unworthy"!

    After having it in hand and prompted privately by another CTer, I examined it with my loupes and discovered the obverse legend and some portrait details are tooled. The evidence of which is very apparent with a 10x loupe.

    I'll probably end up keeping it as an expensive lesson. At any rate, it's now labelled as 'tooled' in my collection.

    BTW, the auction listing did not mention any alterations.

    https://auctions.cngcoins.com/lots/...ad-69-79-obol-21mm-658-g-1h-dated-ry-5-ad-723
     
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