why are you making such a log face Licinius ? Earliest campgate coin

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  1. sky92880

    sky92880 Well-Known Member

    Here 2 campgate coins from Heraclea for Licinius I, a.d.316-317.

    obv : IMPLICI-NIUSAVG , rev :pROVIDENT-IAEAVGGNN mm :HT(delta) 19.23mm 3.13gr
    6 layers , buste J1L , RICVII : 14 nir for this mintmark
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    obv : IMPLICI-NIUSAVG , rev :pROVIDENT-IAEAVGGNN mm :HTr 18.89 mm 3.21 gr
    7 layers , buste J1L , RICVII :14 nir for this mintmark
    IMG_7254d_800_392.jpg

    Please show your early heraclea campgate coins.
    Thanks!
     
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  3. Archeocultura

    Archeocultura Well-Known Member

    Here are some of mine.

    RIC 15, 19 and 48

    Frans VII Heraclea 15 Licinius I campgate 12 nr 0450.jpg VII Heraclea 019 Licinius II Caesar 12 nr 857.jpg VII Heraclea 48 Licinius campgate 12 nr 0451.jpg
     
  4. Heliodromus

    Heliodromus Well-Known Member

    I love the long-faced Licinius on the first one!

    I've only got one poor example of the "NN" type:

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    But here's a nicer one of the following issue:

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    There's actually an even earlier issue, unlisted, before the "NN HTA" one, with "NN" legend, SMHT mark, and officina in field.

    Here's a specimen that sold on eBay in 2011 (not my coin).

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  5. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    I've got an example of the earliest Licinius campgate with SMHT mintmark

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  6. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    Very nice coins all!....The NN examples are certainly more difficult to acquire and are on my want list....
    I've just finished a small subset, obtaining the five Oficinas of RIC VII#15 here they are....
    licinius 5 oficina white HT.....jpg
     
  7. thejewk

    thejewk Well-Known Member

    I love how Licinius gets to have kissy lips on so many of these issues. Who do you think he's puckering up for?
     
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  8. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    Totally expected to see something like this:
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    Here's mine:
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  9. sky92880

    sky92880 Well-Known Member

    @Archeocultura : nice variety of coin mint places. Thanks for sharing.
    @Heliodromus & Victor_Clark : Correct, these 2 are not among the first minted coins of this small series. In my youthful impetuosity I have overlooked that. Unfortunately, my more mature age comes to the fore, noticeable in small shortcomings. Thanks for the uploaded photos, the condition of the coins is very good to excellent. Here are 2 more " long faces"
    1) mint HTr
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    2) mint HTr with nice hearstyle ( second is brighter in lighting )
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    @Spaniard : nice ensemble, and excellent quality. In my notes I see that you have 3 of the 4 bust varieties that I have noted. I don't know its name, but it has a ladder-like shape, going up from his left hand. With your delta coin this is not there, with the HTB the horizontal "steps" point lower on the left, higher on the right, with the HTgamma coin the "steps" are horizontal between the 2 "railings". There is a 4th variant where the steps on the left are higher than on the right. Thanks for sharing.

    the 4 variant's here: HTdelta without 'ladder'
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    HTA with 'ladder' left down, right up
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    HTdelta 'ladder' left up, right down
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    MTHdelta 'ladder' with horizontal rungs
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    @thejewk : not for me, i don't know him that well:):yuck::banhappy:
    @Ryro : Thanks for sharing, this is another series.:wacky:
     
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  10. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    This is my only campgate of Licinius I, and I love it because it was a Saturnalia gift from my Secret Saturn.

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    Licinius I, AD 308-324.
    Roman billon follis, 2.71 g, 18.3 mm, 11 h.
    Heraclea, second officina, AD 317-18.
    Obv: IMP LICI-NIVS AVG, Laureate and draped bust right, holding globe, scepter and mappa.
    Rev: PROVIDEN-TIAE AVGG, three-turreted gateway of military camp; Λ in right field; SMHB in exergue.
    Refs: RIC vii, p. 547, 48 var. (bust right); Cohen 145; RCV 15268.
     
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  11. sky92880

    sky92880 Well-Known Member

    Very nice gift, beautiful bust!
     
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  12. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    @sky92880......Interesting!...I didn't know about these 4 variants so thanks!..
    Just one question.. Are the 4 types present at all 5 Oficinas?.....The left up right down seems to be the rarer type?.......Paul
     
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  13. sky92880

    sky92880 Well-Known Member

    @Spaniard,
    I have determined these variants myself. To check the different ateliers I have to look at my collection, but I'll let you know. The variant in question is effectively less common. They also occur in the Caesars coinage.
    marc
     
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  14. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I got this more ordinary Heraclea RIC 15 in 1998 because I liked the style which is quite different from most of this mint.
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  15. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    Yep...Love that portrait, as you know.
     
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