a constantine II campgate from Ticinum with half open doors

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  1. sky92880

    sky92880 Well-Known Member

    Here a Constantine II coin from Ticinum, T crescent T.

    IMG_7257d_800_390.jpg
    year 326
    obv : constantinusiunnobc, rev : virtu-savss. 17.86 mm, 2.46 gr. 6 layers on plint , top layer with decorations. Doors half closed with decorations. 2 turrets and star in the middle. Buste B4, RIC VII : nr 200
    Probably unofficial contempory mint.
    Please show your Ticinum campgate coins.
     
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  3. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    I think its official.
     
  4. Heliodromus

    Heliodromus Well-Known Member

    Neat coin, but I'd agree with Sky that it's unofficial.

    - VIRTVS CAESS rev legend was only used at Arles
    - Turret style is wrong for Ticinum
    - Seems like it may have a third turret
    - Star looks like it's on a globe background
    - Too few rows for Ticinum
    - Top row "inverted half moon" detail not Ticinum
    - Open doors not Ticinum
     
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  5. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    Good points, but the bust and the lettering are very good plus the overall style seems consistent enough to be the work of a skilled die cutter who understood the whole concept of how a roman coin should look (including the mintmark) and was likely literate, or at the very least understood the need to be careful in carving a literate legend.
     
  6. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    I also agree that it is unofficial. I have had some good style unofficial coins copying Ticinum, like the two below.


    Ticinum_campgate_ConstantineII.jpg

    Ticinum_campgate_ConstantiusII.jpg
     
  7. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    Ok, I'm convinced now.
     
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  8. sky92880

    sky92880 Well-Known Member

    @Heliodromus : Thanks for your input, the star is on a globe and standing on a tripod.
    @seth77 : One of the reasons for me is the fact that the text on the back ends in avss and not caess.
    @Victor_Clark : Thanks for your input and pictures.
     
  9. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    I for one did not see that legend as AVSS, but CAESS but with some corrosion obscuring some letter parts. Perhaps in hand it's easier to see the legend as it really is.
     
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  10. Heliodromus

    Heliodromus Well-Known Member

    If you enlarge and rotate the photo, it does seem to clearly be VIRTV-S AVSS, which just adds to the list of reasons: Ticinum never issued VIRTVS AVGG, let alone VIRTVS AVSS, and with C2 CAES on the obverse it would anyways have been VIRTVS CAESS.

    AVSS as a "mispelling" of AVGG is an eastern thing, perhaps a reflection of the person who engraved it.

    virtvs-avss.jpg
     
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