Learning to grade

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by arl95, Oct 24, 2005.

  1. arl95

    arl95 New Member

    This is a picture of an 1885-S $10 DOLLAR GOLD LIBERTY. It has been cleaned. My question is, can you guys tell that it has been cleaned just by looking at this picture and if so how?
     

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  3. Metalman

    Metalman New Member

    Hi

    I ran the coin thru the color spectrum,,I do not see any hair lines ,,if the coin was cleaned ,,what method or chemical was used ?

    I went ahead and enlarged the pic,

    The coin looks a bit pitted, with XF details in my opinion, if the coin was chemically dipped , I would say it was over dipped by quite a bit .

    Rick
     

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  4. SilverDollarMan

    SilverDollarMan Collecting Fool

    Me 2...just pitted. Can't tell about cleaning.
     
  5. satootoko

    satootoko Retired

    In a non-gold coin it's just about impossible to tell whether pitting is a chemical reaction to some kind of dip - or overdip - or some other form of environmental damage. Since gold doesn't ordinarily suffer environmental damage - even acid rain lacks the strength and combination of acids forming aqua regia - the pitting is an indication of some kind of physical abuse.

    Polishing or cleaning with a brush or cloth, etc., is doubtful IMHO due to
    • lack of hairlines, and
    • color identity for the open fields, the interior of letters in the legends, and the legend and design elements themselves.
    Which leaves ???????
     
  6. sylvester

    sylvester New Member

    Well it won't be aqua regia! If it was you'd have no coin left.

    Salt water? Don't coins from wrecks sometimes come out a bit pitted and waterworn?


    I can't think of much that would do that much to gold, aqqua regia is one and mercury is the other and to be frank it's neither.
     
  7. rick

    rick Coin Collector

    maybe excessive contact from loose storage? Is it possible that it was a dug coin that was rinsed and soaked instead of scrubbed?
     
  8. arl95

    arl95 New Member

    Thanks much to everyone. I don't know the method of cleaning. It is advertised as AU-58 Cleaned for $240.00. As Roy said, there is a lack of hairlines so I was trying to figure out how it was cleaned. With the enlarged pic, now I see the pitting. I was thinking bag marks at first. I learn something new everyday. Thanks again.
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Can you post a pic of the other side of the coin please - something about it just doesn't look right :confused:
     
  10. arl95

    arl95 New Member

    no this is the only pic. it's from an internet site i had found. Page 5 from a search on google. Only posting the one pic and not both sides made me very suspicious so i was thinking the reverse is the side with the cleaning damage. Either way, definetly not go to buy this one just going to use it to help spot the ones that have been cleaned and are not advertised as such.
     
  11. sylvester

    sylvester New Member

    You think it could be fake GD?
     
  12. Speedy

    Speedy Researching Coins Supporter

    GDJMSP...
    Are you thinking a cast copy??
    my first look at it and that is what poped into my mind...the air holes that show up under the metal look funny....and to me the face looks funny....

    Speedy
     
  13. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    Yup - but it could be the pic :confused:
     
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