1830 Capped Bust 5C Need help with grade and attribution

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  1. Dynoking

    Dynoking Well-Known Member

    I'm getting ready to send this to PCGS for grading. The coin has PL fields that don't show in the pictures. I think the shield and the eagle will hold the grade back to MS62. Using Weebly.com I attribute this to LM-2, OVB 1- REV-H.

    1830 5C Obverse.jpg

    1830 5C Reverse.jpg
     
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  3. Jaelus

    Jaelus The Hungarian Antiquarian Supporter

    I'm not sure from these photos. I would try conserving it, especially if the fields are PL.
     
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  4. Publius2

    Publius2 Well-Known Member

    I agree with your attribution. Second use of Obverse 1 and the die crack (sweet!) confirms it. Nice coin.
     
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  5. Dynoking

    Dynoking Well-Known Member

    Wow, I got one right. Thanks! The web site Capped Bust Dimes makes it easy for me. I wish I could find a similar site for CBH.
     
  6. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Yes I concur LM-2 obv.-1 rev.-H

    Late die state, heavyly dipped reverse cleaned. People never learn on theses little gems,spent decades in cardboard albums,that toned them dark.
    Went you see one with this much meat on the bone, dull surfaces,as the coins been over dipped. I see hair lines on the reverses from cleaning.as well a coin of these details....and not graded?
     
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  7. Publius2

    Publius2 Well-Known Member

    I don't know what weebly.com is. When I click on the link in your message, up comes some non-numismatic website.

    For Capped Bust Half Diimes, I use the Logan/McCloskey book and the website

    Attribute My Half-Dime - Capped Bust Half Dimes (archive.org)

    I think, but don't know for certain, that this third use of Reverse H is typically weak on the left side of the shield and the left wing. Might be worth your research time. If the graders know this, they may not knock it back. Are you having it graded and labeled with the attribution? You may have a better chance of getting a better grade if you pay them to acknowledge the die marriage.
     
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  8. Publius2

    Publius2 Well-Known Member

    @Paddy54, I accepted the OP's claim that the surfaces were PL since the photos just aren't good enough to make that determination. When I looked at the coin, I was uncertain if it had been dipped or polished because it certainly looks quite shiny but you know that many if not most of these were dipped. The question is, if previously dipped, is it now market-acceptable? Like I said, I'm simply accepting the OP's statement on surfaces.

    I agree that the reverse is a bit of a tired die as I mentioned in my reply earlier.

    But, I am not convinced that the lines we both see on the reverse (from the shield, up left over the neck, between left wing and head and then over the head) to be most likely on the holder. Maybe @Dynoking can inform us?
     
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  9. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    This particular look as well condition of half dimes I steer clear of..... reasons .....as stated if this coin hasn't been dipped or cleaned why is it not in a tpg in the current wear condition?
    I steer clear as they do comand a premium, as even low grades have slipped up in the $45 and up just for any old h 10 you find in G to vf. I passed on a 1830 at a show a few months back at $55 & had a slight bend..
    but again to my eye this is a nice specimen but its been cleaned, and or over dipped. Having roughtly now in the neighborhood of 2 large double row slab boxes filled plus the specimen raw... I have learned how to read the surfaces as to how they became the color to my eye that i see.
    You still can have some luster under a dull finish.... but I can look at the coin color and surface and know.in hand. I do indeed have cleaned h 10s as well as some other issues.
    But when you"re under 20 needed to complete from 1829-1873 one sometimes takes what one can find.
    And to be perfectly honest i do own coins that if not detailed ,I could of never afforded them.
    So sometimes we settle,and no problems with that as you are the only person you need please.

    Look at tge reverse from RICA down to the 3rd arrow head.... notice the skin tone from the eagles wing to the rim throughout the lettering..... thats toning that did not come off the coin durring soaking. As what I see in the photo. In hand may differ, but Im still in the cleaned and dipped opinion.
     
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  10. Dynoking

    Dynoking Well-Known Member

    I think we wound up at the same site.
    https://518616078926146539.weebly.com/attribute-my-half-dime.html
    Thank you for the advice. Yes the left shield and shoulder are weak. I will try further research. I will be sending in for grading and pay for the attribution if it helps.
     
  11. Dynoking

    Dynoking Well-Known Member

    I pulled this coin out this afternoon to prepare it for grading. I've been studying it ever since. It's not graded because the last time it was on the market there was no such thing as a TPG.
    The hair lines you see on the reverse between the beak and shoulder are two fold. Some are from die polishing as they stop at and do not cross the device. Then there are scratches including one long and deep across the beak and into the shield. They may be a deal breaker. (Will not straight grade)
    The fields were mirror like but cloudy. Acetone did not help. The first pictures below are after a dip. The fields are clearer and the coin has a nice cartwheel on both sides.
    The last picture is a close up of the scratches I'm trying to describe. You can also see the striations from the worn out die.
    When I took this coin out of its plastic 2x2 I was excited. Now not so much. I feel like I'm putting lipstick on a pig. Any ideas about what to do with this "gem"?

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  12. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Here's my thoughts send it in for grading. Even if it comes back details and that mark on the eagle I do not believe it would detail the coin. Even if it comes back details you do have a ball park grade ie.....xf45 au55 ...etc. then that gives you a ball park price should you want to sell. The newer images are better to see the coin, some coins are just impossible to photograph peroid . I have it graded then you know for sure .....
     
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  13. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    You would be better off grading it yourself or getting a numismatist to check it out, usually for free! Just an idea. good luck.
     
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  14. Tamaracian

    Tamaracian 12+ Yr Member--Supporter

    Since you did dip it, and there is a scratch on the Eagle, IMO your chance of getting a straight grade are nil; more than likely it will Details Grade. Unless you have a voucher from NGC or PCGS, the cost of submitting it (shipping to the TPG and their Return Shipping/Insurance; Grading Fee for the Group & Tier, and any extras such as Variety, Imaging). If you really want it evaluated and slabbed I would send it to ANACS as that would be your lowest cost.

    If you're considering just selling it I would list it on eBay, as some of the Raw ones that have been sold (that don't have the visual appeal of your coin) in about the same apparent grade, have ranged from $85 to $179.50
     
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  15. bikergeek

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  16. Dynoking

    Dynoking Well-Known Member

    Wow, nice coin! Like you said it has personality, nice skin! Thanks for sharing. Not sure if I agree with "not perfect". At AU53, it is not too shabby, lots of character. Nice photographs too!
     
  17. bikergeek

    bikergeek Well-Known Member

    Thanks, @Dynoking ! The thing that I would say is least endearing about this coin is the small double-scratch to the right of the date on the obverse by star 13. But hey, if they were all perfect, I couldn't afford 'em!
     
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