Lucanian bronze Winged Thunder!

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  1. Mike Margolis

    Mike Margolis Well-Known Member

    First coin I bought for myself in a while. Just saw a really pretty portrait and the winged thunderbolt- very cool style. CointhuriumLucania1.jpg
    Lucania, Thurium

    Circa 280 BC

    Obverse: Laureate portrait of Apollo left

    Reverse: QOURIWN Winged thunderbolt

    References: SNG Cop. 1509. Rutter, HN Italy 1927

    Size: 14mm, 3.40g R1
    POST YOUR THUNDERBOLTS!
     
    Last edited: Dec 26, 2021
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  3. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I like that thunderbolt!
    This is my favorite thunderbolts:
    Antoninus Pius, Denarius, Thunderbolt on Altar.png
    Antoninus Pius
    Denarius
    Obverse: ANTONINVS AVG PIVS PP Laureate head right
    Reverse: COS IIII Thunderbolt on decorated altar
     
  4. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Beautiful portrait! Love that reddish brown patina. Looks like leather.

    Here are a couple of very worn but interesting winged thunderbolts:

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    ELIS, Olympia. 87th Olympiad, 432 BCE
    AR hemidrachm, 16 mm, 2.7 gm
    Obv: eagle, with wings displayed above, flying left, holding hare by its back and tearing at it with his beak
    Rev: thunderbolt, with wings above and volutes below, within circular incuse; to right, A.
    Ref: BCD Olympia -; BCD Peloponnesos -; SNG Copenhagen -; BMC -; Traité -; SNG Delepierre -; Pozzi -; Weber -; McClean -.
    The obverse type, combined with the form of the thunderbolt, with its broad, splayed wings, and the A on the reverse, is most similar to the stater of BCD 50.

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    ELIS, Olympia. 95th Olympiad, 400 BCE
    AR hemidrachm, 16 mm, 2.6 gm
    Obv: head and neck of eagle right; F below
    Rev: thunderbolt, volutes above, wings below, F-A across fields
    Ref: BCD Olympia 85/84 (same dies); SNG Copenhagen 372
     
  5. Andres2

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  6. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

    Selge.
     
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  7. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Tbolt, biggun!

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    RR Aes Grave Anon 280-276 BCE Triens 46mm 90.3g 9.3mm thick Tbolt-Dolphin Rome Crawford 14-3 T Vecchi 3
     
  8. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

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    SYRIA, Seleukis and Pieria. Adelphoi Demi (Tetrapolis). Mid 2nd century BC. Æ (22mm, 8.26 gm, 9h). Dated SE 165 (149/8 BC). Obv: Laureate head of Zeus right. Rev: Winged thunderbolt; EΞP with Monogram(date) to right of it and ΑΔΕΛΦΩΝ above thunderbolt; ΔΗΜΩΝ and monogram below, all within wreath. SNG Copenhagen 397; BMC 7; HGC 9, 1396
     
  9. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Here's my winged t-bolt. Depending on the lighting this coin either looks great or looks more pitted than the surface of Mars.
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  10. Ignoramus Maximus

    Ignoramus Maximus Nomen non est omen.

  11. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    I've seen the bolts either horizontal or vertical - anybody know the "correct" orientation?
     
  12. Ignoramus Maximus

    Ignoramus Maximus Nomen non est omen.

    I'm not sure, but on your coin, I'd probably prefer vertical. If the bolt is horizontal, then the lower part of the legend reads from right to left (ΝΩΝΟΔEΚΑΜ, if I ID'd your coin correctly). Not very comfortable reading.
     
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  13. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

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  14. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    On 4th century bronzes, Jupiter is usually depicted holding Victory on globe, presenting wreath. This coin is an exception:
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    Constantine I ("the Great")
    A.D. 307-337
    AE Nummus
    Thessalonica mint, A.D. 311-313
    RIC 47b
    Obv: CONSTANTINVS P F AVG
    Rev: IOVI CONSER-VATORI AVGG - Jupiter leaning on scepter and holding thunderbolt; eagle with wreath at feet
    •SM•TS• in exergue; E in right field
    22 mm, 4.7 g.
     
  15. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    This is an unappetizing winged thunderbolt, like the one @hotwheelsearl shared, I think:

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    Antoninus Pius Æ Sestertius
    (c. 140-144 A.D.)
    Rome Mint

    [ANTO]NINVS AVG PIVS P P TRP COS I[II], laureate head r. / [PROVI]DENTIAE DE[ORVM] S C, winged thunderbolt vertical.
    RIC III 618a; BMCRE 1267; Cohen 682.
    (20.07 grams / 30 mm)
    eBay May 2020
     
  16. Ed Snible

    Ed Snible Well-Known Member

    Here is one with a thunderbolt on both sides:

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    Epirus, The Molossi, circa 360-330/25 BC, AE17, 2.39g
    Shield with thunderbolt boss / thunderbolt in wreath
    Sear GCV 1979
    Note: low-weight specimen ... half the weight of any other example I could find.
     
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  17. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    The @Ed Snible post above inspired me to look a little harder at the Greeks.

    Here's a winged thunderbolt, from Pisidia:

    Selge Pisidia Herakles thunderbolt lot Apr 2021 (1).jpg
    Pisidia, Selge Æ 14
    (c. 200 - 10 B.C.)

    Bare head of Herakles to right; before, K. / CΕΛΓΕ Winged thunderbolt; to right, bow (topped with a griffin head?).
    SNG BN 1998; Paris 764 var.; SNG France 1988; BMC 50; Sear 5412.
    (2.10 grams / 14 mm)
    eBay April 2021 Lot @ $1.24
    Attribution Notes: Type with K on obverse rather scarce (three auctions found).
    Possible die match with:
    Nomos Obolos Web Auction 17 Lot 334, 20.12.2020, which
    notes SNG BN 1998 (same dies) In this auction, bow is described as being topped with a griffin head, but I do not see it.

    Here's another one, from Metropolis, where dwelleth Superman:

    Ionia Metropolis - Ares & Thunderbolt Diogenes June 2020 (0).jpg
    Ionia, Metropolis Æ 15
    (c. 100-50 B.C.)
    Diogenes magistrate

    Helmeted head of Ares right / ΔIOΓENHΣ, Winged thunderbolt; monogram above.
    SNG Copenhagen 904.
    (4.19 grams / 15 mm)
    eBay June 2020

    This is one of my favorites because of the patina. It is from Philadelphia, home of Rocky Balboa:

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    Lydia, Philadelphia Æ 14
    (Semi-) Autonomous Issue
    (c. 100 B.C. - 14 A.D.)

    Macedonian shield, star in center / ΦIΛAΔEΛ-ΦEωN above and beneath winged thunderbolt, (Ρ?)ΠME monogram above, all within wreath.
    BMC 2-3; SNG Tuebingen 3738.
    (5.28 grams / 14 mm)
    eBay Oct. 2018
     
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  18. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Commodus:

    Zeus

    Mint of Alexandria, Egypt.

    Commodus (180-192. A.D.)

    Type: Billon Tetradrachm, 25mm, 11.06 grams

    Obverse: M AVΡ KOMMO ANTΩNINOC CE, Laureate bust of Commodus right

    Reverse: VΠAT OCTOΔ, Zeus seated left, holding scepter and thunderbolt, K theta in field

    Reference: Emmett 2567

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  19. Mike Margolis

    Mike Margolis Well-Known Member

    Thsose
     
  20. Mike Margolis

    Mike Margolis Well-Known Member

    Beautiful Hemis with bolts. Yes, patination can really make a coin attractive. It is like the coin is singing over the millenia.
     
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  21. Mike Margolis

    Mike Margolis Well-Known Member

    wow-90+ grams!
     
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