Can you "unclean a coin" ?

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  1. serafino

    serafino Well-Known Member

    Can you speed up the process by using one of those rock tumblers at very slow speed and put the coin in with some junk coins ?
     
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  3. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    If it was cleaned and polished, why did you buy it? I would not try to undo it, but I would try to undo the purchase. Another idea, just keep it. Good luck.
     
  4. Rocksprings

    Rocksprings Member

    $$$ Extremely valuable coin in any condition. Extremely low mintage.
    Got a very good deal. I think the mintage was 700,000 or so. Also got tired of looking at that hole in my album.
     
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  5. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    If your only goal is to remove the cleaning yea you can, but whether or not it would grade is a different story. If you do enough coins some might straight grade but some will certainly get a details grade
     
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  6. Tamaracian

    Tamaracian 12+ Yr Member--Supporter

    @Rocksprings As others have stated, it is not possible to "unpolish" a coin; for a coin that has been cleaned by chemical means or with mild abrasive it is possible to have it retone and look more acceptable, but to the trained eye, it will almost always be detectable as having been cleaned or polished.

    For a bronze coin (95% Copper, 5% Tin + Zinc) such as your 1877 IHC, there are commercial products that will tone it to a shade of brown. I'm not going to mention a particular one since I have not personally used them; if you do a Google search for "what can be used to tone a bronze coin" you will find several products mentioned. Also, searching under "coin supplies" will return Wizard Coin Supply and several others that carry products for both "cleaning or dipping" and for "preservation".

    Practicing on a common bronze cent ( has to be mostly RED) that you have first "cleaned" (if you don't have a commercial dip you can use the juice of a lemon) should give you a good idea of the final result after treatment with the commercial toning product. A photo of your coin would have been helpful for the Community to suggest a course of action, or not, if too far altered.
     
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  7. Derek2200

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  8. Peter M Black

    Peter M Black Active Member

    I did this witha set of BU Canadian coins in 1967 because I wanted the toning. It worked over about a 6 month period as i recall, and then I turned them over to do the reverse sides. I liked the speeded-up aging look!
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Well, depending on what you're working with, toning as the result of putting a coin on a window sill can happen a whole lot faster than that !

    This is the day the coin was dipped.

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    This day 3 of sitting on a window sill.

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    This is day 43 of sitting on a window sill.


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    Now I don't know what was done to your coins before you put them on a window sill. And whatever it was that was done, makes a HUGE difference. And you can see that with the pics I posted above.

    What I did was this. I dipped the bottom half of the coin in a harsh dip for 1 second, then thoroughly rinsed it. Then, I used a pencil eraser on the right hand side of bottom half - leaving the left hand side of the bottom half alone. And of course the top half was left completely alone.

    But that's why we can see such radical differences, and how fast it happened, in how the toning progressed. And of course your local environmental conditions are going to male a difference too.

    The thing to really take from this is that toning can happen, and happen very, very quickly under certain conditions. A lot of folks think toning takes a long, long time to occur. But that is simply not the case at all !
     
  10. cladking

    cladking Coin Collector

    I've "uncleaned" thousands of coins. It's a complex flow chart but they are really pretty simple steps once you get a little experience. Copper works best and silver less so. Nickel and cu/ni are hardest. First you try to figure out why it looks cleaned. If there is "mechanical damage" then it will require a mechanical solution. "Polishing" for instance is mechanical and the coin will have to be worn down below the current surface. This can take one to five grades depending on the severity of the damage and whether or not the polishing extends to all the low spots. Most "cleaning" is more a chemical damage and all it really needs is color change. Start by making sure the coin is clean and stable so it doesn't spot. Then it's simply a matter of exposing it to harsh conditions like a furnace where there are dust, fumes, and heat. Periodic light abrasion helps so shake it with a bunch of other coins once in a while.

    Thee are various means to speed it up but any coin carried as pocket change will look normal in time. It's very easy to spend or lose these pocket pieces though.

    Now days people pay good money for worn out coins but I can't wear them out like I did in my youth.

    Any "uncleaning" will remove at least one whole grade. Anything that adds a grade or doesn't remove a grade is "doctoring" which is even worse than "cleaning". I always joked that the box of coins on my furnace was a "hospital" but the coins that were "discharged" were always a little worse for wear.
     
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  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    With all this talk about carrying coins in one's pocket to wear them down, I thought maybe I should show those folks who haven't ever seen it an example of what carrying a coin in your pocket for a "while" can do.

    The coin I'm going to post a pic of here, I carried in my pocket, along with 4 quarters and a pocket knife, every day for 7 years. And not only was it in my pocket every day, it was also my "flippin coin". You know what I mean, if I, or somebody else said - I'll flip ya for it - this is the coin what was fliiped. This coin was flipped, I dunno, at least a thousand times or so. And it was allowed to drop on everything from carpeted floors to wood floors, to concrete, to asphalt, and just in the dirt or grass. But bottom line, it took 7 years of all this for this coin to get look the way it does in these pics.

    Now a lot of folks on this forum, and others, have seen this coin (or another like it because I did this with 4 of them over the years) many times. But there are enough new members here that have never seen it that well, that's why I'm posting it again, and to serve as an example. And, I seriously doubt that you'll ever see another one of these like this, unless it was mine. Because nobody else that I've ever even heard of has ever done this - with one of these coins.


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    Of the 4 $50 AGEs, all different dates, that I did this with I spent 3 of them - at coin shows when I had run of cash, and there was still a coin I wanted to buy. No dealer ever refused to take one :) So you might run into one of those 3 almost anyplace, or not, because I suspect they were all sold for scrap and melted down eventually.

    This particular one however was sold to a collector friend of mine, also a member of this forum, who wanted to buy it just because it was mine. And maybe because he'd had to pay a couple of dinner bills when he lost the flip ;)
     
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