yellow seal 2?

http://cgi.ebay.com/2-1928F-YELLOW-...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a6e57c43

any idea how this could of happened?

 

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The seal in easily turned different shades of yellow or orange after soaking in certain solvents.

 

yes it was definitely some type of solvent or the note had been washed at some point. i give you the magic orange dollar same difference

 

If it was a chemical or washing why would it not turn the entire note yellow like the second post did instead of just the seal?

 

My thoughts are that different inks are composed of different 'ingredients' each which may have its own unique reaction (if any reaction at all) to different chemical agents/solvents. Different colors are more susceptible (delicate) than are others, such as green to black in the note.

 

LOL.

Did you read his discription. He states, "This note is not an error note but a note that was possibly washed or bleached and turned the seal and serial numbers yellow."

But here is the funny part. He correctly identifies it as a 1928 note, then calls it a "44 year old note." Um, it is not 1972.....it is 2010. LOL.

 

An absolute scam. I've always wondered however, what the exact process is to turn the red to yellow. Many years ago out of curiosity, I farted around with bleach, alchohol and other stuff with no success. Lewninator has a nice write up on this scam in the ebay review and guides section.

 

Yuuuukkkk!

 

I dont think he said it was printed in 1928, he did get the series wrong as it is obviously a 1928G. According to BEP records, notes of these series (1928*) were delivered to the Treasury between April 1929 and May 1953.

 

RIT makes a color remover that I use to remove the red wheres george bill tracking stamps. I bet a weak mix and a quick dip would do this. Be careful not to breathe in any of the dust if you try it!

 

Ha! That's great... Stopping WG in it's tracks. Do you have before and after pics of this process? Does it not stain nor leave other damage to the surface of the notes?

 

I wanted to share this long quote to be read in regards to the faded seal on the $2 note in the OP. The quote is taken from a (dated but) fantastic book on the history of bank notes and security engraving, The Story of American Banknote Company by William H. Griffiths 1959 (pg. 71)

You can see that steps were taken long ago to counter the attempts of forgery and alteration which to this day are still viable at preventing such damage to such things as notes. While the ABNCo were not necessarily responsible for printing the note in question their innovations and heritage with the US Treasury lie behind such security features.

Please note: Images of the note in question were uploaded since they will eventually disappear when the auction is older than 90 days or the user removes them from their account.

 

http://www.cointalk.com/t60825/
http://www.cointalk.com/t61569/
only pics I have, sorry. Laptop died and pics are gone
totally obvious under blacklight.

 

I have 2 notes like this. I believe mine were sun bleached. They are in terrible condition and look like they had been taped to a store's wall for years, probably in direct sunlight.

 

Thanks. Very interesting test.

 

I happen to like the yellow seal just not on the $2 bill LOL!!

 

Hello all - first post here after registering this evening.

I'm a failry new paper money collector (only been a month or so now - started by getting a '57 $1 in change) and have been facinated by the whole yellow seal $2 on ebay. I see one for auction almost every day. There's one now: http://cgi.ebay.com/1963a-CRISP-2-D...-CURRENCY-/350384755187?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0

I do understand that these are modifications of red seal $2 bills, but I am very curious as to how it is done. I have tried a few experiments on some very worn red seals, but only succeeded in removing the red ink. Does anyone know how its done? Maybe if it were common knoiwledge, then people that really wanted one could easliy find the answer on the internet on how to make their own and not pay a lot of money for one on ebay.

 

No good!

From one krispy to another...

Intentionally altering the note removes any and all numismatic premium it may have had before hand. It is inflicting damage on the note.

Since you are new to paper collecting, perhaps you are new to numismatic collecting in general and the attitude coin and paper collectors generally have towards altered and damaged coins/notes.

BTW, it is pretty much common knowledge if one searches even with the slightest effort to find methods for such information. Let's hope it doesn't become accepted practice to go about damaging notes anymore than they may already exist and sell for on eBay type auction sites.

 

Hello krispy.

Thank you for your kind reply. My question was simply out of curiosity. When I saw the first $2 yellow seal on eBay I bid on it. I didn't win it so looked for another to bid on. I then read an article (posted on ebay) and found that it had to have been modified.

I am a new collector and a $2 bill with red serial numbers and a yellow seal was interesting to me so I wanted one of my own. Admittedly, I am a new to this hobby and collecting in general, I normally fly things for fun. I am aware that these $2 yellow notes seem to be pretty hot items even though they are modified and thought that if this information were more freely available (I did search but didn't find anything) that they wouldn't be such a big deal. I guess that I still have a lot to learn.

BTW - no intent on leveraging the krispy user name (didn't even know you about you until a few minutes ago). ExtraCrispy comes from a long love of the Colonel’s Original Recipe.

 

No worries with the names. There are lots of similar names for various favorite coins on these forums Pennywise, Pennyguy, ThePennyLady... :thumb:

Since anyone could (and some do!) modify notes and coins for financial gain, I would strong advise never to bid on them to give them the pleasure of taking your money for their ill gotten gains. They are undermining novice collectors in believing there is value and something special where this is nothing and deceptively relieving them of their hard earned money. It is the sort of activity of faking items that goes hand in hand with the criminal activity of counterfeiting and thieving... buyer beware! However, there are legitimate printing errors out there that you might like to learn about.

Welcome to CT! There is a great community of Paper Money collectors here. I hope you stick around and have a look at some of the threads and collections members have shared here. :smile