worst condition coin in your collection

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Victor_Clark, Dec 4, 2021.

  1. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney Buh bye

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    Before you laugh hysterically - I liberated this from the trash can next to the coin machine a couple of years ago - so technically a coinstar find. It is an ancient AE from Carmo in Spain ca. 200 BC.
     
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  3. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    I have soooo many coins that I think would suit this thread.

    Probus
    Obv:– IMP C PROBVS AVG, Radiate cuirassed bust left with spear over right shoulder
    Rev:– TEMPOR FELICIT, Felicitas standing right, holding caduceus and cornucopiae
    Minted in Lugdunum (II in exe) Emission 8 Officina 2. Autumn to Late A.D. 281
    Reference:– Cohen -. Bastien -. RIC 108 (Rare)

    Weight 3.81g. 22.50mm. 0 degrees

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    This bust type not cited in Bastien. So he couldn't find any when creating the catalog. This is despite the fact that there is one in the BM which is the plate coin in RIC for RIC 108 and is an obverse die match to this example. So quite possibly on the second known example of this bust type from Lugdunum.
     
  4. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    How about a pair of coins from a single obverse die that I suspect no more than a handful of people would care enough about to give them a home.

    In the earlier Eastern COS II series of Septimius Severus are a range of slightly unusual obverse legends with legends ending in AVG II C, AVG CO, AVG II CO etc.

    Examples of some of these are found in the standard references mixed in with the standard COS II coins.

    Curtis Clay obtained an example of an undocumented obverse legend "IMP CAE L SEP SEV PERT AVG II COS" from the Kelly Collection, with the additionally unusual reverse legend on "FORTVNAE REDVCI II COS". All coins with the reverse legend containing "II COS" are scarce through to rare.

    I was struggling to attribute the following coin and Curtis asked me to send him a plaster cast of it tol allow him to compare it to other examples in his collection of coins and plaster casts.

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    He was able to confirm it as an obverse die match to his II COS obverse coin thus making it:-

    Obv:– IMP CAE L SEP SEV PERT AVG II COS, Laureate head right
    Rev:– BONAE SPEI II COS, Spes standing holding flower and lifting skirt
    Minted in Emesa, 194 - 195 A.D.
    References:– RIC -. RSC -. BMC -.

    2.53g, 20.31mm, 0o

    A few months later I foind the following coin:-

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    This time a double die match with Curtis' example

    Obv:– IMP CAE L SEP SEV PERT AVG II COS, Laureate head right
    Rev:– FORTVNAE REDVCI II COS, Fortuna standing left holding rudder and cornucopia
    Minted in Emesa, 194 - 195 A.D.
    References:– RIC -. RSC -. BMC -.

    In summary. There appear to be only three examples known with this obverse legend. One in the Curtis Clay collection and two in mine....

    Either coin would probably qualify for this thread.
     
  5. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    I have two that I'd like to show off, both pulled from lots of uncleaned coins many years ago.

    First, from my CtG collection, this little 1/4 nummus from Trier:
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    Constantine I ("the Great")
    A.D. 307-337
    Treveri (Trier) mint, A.D. 307-308
    RIC 791
    Obv: IMP CONSTANTINVS P F AVG
    Rev: VOT/X/AVG/N, within wreath
    No mint mark
    13 mm, 0.8 g.

    And what do you think about this beast:
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    Agrippina Senior
    Wife of Germanicus
    Bronze Sestertius
    Rome mint, A.D. 50-54
    Obv: AGRIPPINA M F GERMANICI CAESARIS
    Rev: TI CLAVDIVS CAESAR AVG GERM P M TR P IMP, encircling SC
    RIC (Claudius) 102
    34mm, 26.1g.
     
  6. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    I find it interesting that no US coins made this post that I could see -- yet.
    Since I don't collect ancients, I'll show a US coin.

    BTW, NGC graded this as a straight VG-10.

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  7. Marsman

    Marsman Well-Known Member

    Without doubt my Cleo VII coin.
    But then, it’s not easy to find this lady in a better condition :)

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    EGYPT: CLEOPATRA VII
    Cleopatra VII. AE 40 drachms. Alexandria
    Obv. Diademed bust of Cleopatra VII right.
    Rev. ΒΑΣΙΛΙΣΣΗΣ ΚΛΕΟΠΑΤΡΑΣ Eagle standing on thunderbolt left. In left field, double cornucopia, in right field, M (= 40 = mark of value).
    20 mm, 8.24gm.
     
    Last edited: Dec 5, 2021
  8. Neosynephrine

    Neosynephrine Member

    My 1914-D Lincoln is in VF30, but there is a hole drilled through it. Paid 20 bucks at the flea market 30+ years ago.
     
  9. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    Despite the variety of coins shown, I think that the uniting theme is passion...a passion for collecting. Here is another coin that I would not part with despite the terrible condition. It would not even be recognizable except for the monogram.

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    Odovacar
    King of Italy
    476-493
    Æ Nummus (0.61g 10mm) Ravenna
    [ODOVA] bust right / ODOVA monogram within wreath.
    RIC 3502; MEC 64; BMC Vandals p. 45, 10-11.
     
  10. Tejas

    Tejas Well-Known Member

    This is by far the worst condition coin in my collection. I meant to upgrade it, but I have in fact never come across a better one in auction:

    Odovacar in the name of Zeno

    Mint: Rome
    Year: 478

    These large folles were issued in two emission. The first one (477) is dated by the regnal year (III) under the bust. The second one is not dated. These coins are excessively rare and practically non-existent in good condition.




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  11. Tejas

    Tejas Well-Known Member

    Yes, an Odovacar nummus is hard to replace in any condition. I managed to find one in near perfect condition though.

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  12. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Since we are showing our Odoacer coins I might as well post mine also. It was my white whale for years.

    Odoacer, Kingdom of Italy
    AE nummus
    Obv: OD[O-VAC], bare-headed, draped bust right
    Rev: Odoacer's monogram (letters ODOVA: “Odovacar”) within wreath
    Mint: Ravenna
    Date: 476-493 AD
    Ref: RIC X 3502

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  13. Johndakerftw

    Johndakerftw Mr. Rogers is My Hero

    My best worn coins are my AE Shekel of Ture and fouree Tribute Penny.

    They’re not allowed to leave.

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    Erin
     
  14. Kavax

    Kavax Well-Known Member

    My coin in the worst condition is also a coin i was very happy to purchase as a collector of incuse coins of Magna Graecia.
    It is a drachm of Sybaris struck during the Spagnoli phase A (with the legend above the bull) . Only 4 drachms are known for this period including this one.

    South Lucania, Sybaris, c. 540/30-526 BC, Drachm , AR, gr. 2,5.
    Av. Bull standing l., head turned back, above VM.
    Rv. same type r. incuse.
    ref. Spagnoli groupe A 1002 D2/R2?


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  15. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I have so many coins of low quality but most of them are interesting enough in some way. That's just how it goes if you collect provincial bronzes. Here's an example:

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    MESOPOTAMIA, Rhesaena. Elagabalus
    AE 19 mm, 4.13 gm
    Obv: Laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right, holding spear.
    Rev: Centaur advancing right, drawing bow; behind, two vexilla; to left, bull(?) head right (Castelin's article says possible female head right, with mural crown and veil)
    Ref: Cf. Castelin 14-16. Rare.

    Here's Castelin's article that serves as reference for the type:
    http://numismatics.org/digitallibrary/ark:/53695/nnan8633

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    As you can see, this type of coin just doesn't come in high quality. From the Castelin article:

    "Their striking, in comparison with imperial coins, is notably careless and uneven and their preservation generally very bad."

    "...their portraits are here mere caricatures..."

    "Dots and lines or a ragged outline may be meant to indicate a beard or may merely be due to the ineptitude of the engraver." :hilarious:
     
  16. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    I just won this one and it's no beauty

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    Licinius I & Licinius II
    A.D. 320
    22mm 4.1g
    D D N N IOVII LICINII INVICT AVG ET CAES; laureate and draped confronted busts, together holding Fortuna.
    I O M ET FORT CONSER D D N N AVG ET CAES; Jupiter standing left, chlamys across left shoulder, holding Victory on globe with laurel crown in right hand, leaning on sceptre; Fortuna standing right crowned with modius, holding cornucopiae and rudder set on globe.
    In ex. SMNΓ
    RIC VII Nicomedia 38


    I already had an example from workshop Δ

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    and I figured the two combined would make one nice coin :)
     
  17. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    I don’t do ugly- not in my core collection. (My sideline collection of holed coins and my detector finds are a different matter.)

    It’s not merely a matter of snobbery. It’s just that I tend to collect Ancients aesthetically. I love the history, sure, but I’ll never be as predisposed to the scholarly pursuits as so many of you are.

    This is presently the lowest grade coin in the tiny Ancients subcategory within my Eclectic Box.

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    This is the lowest grade coin overall in my core collection.

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    Now, it hasn’t always been so. “Ugly but scarce” used to be just fine with me. Behold the budget JC lifetime denarius from my old Twelve Caesars set.

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    ‘Twas pretty humble, but acceptable, I thought. (Particularly for well under $500.) And so I would still think if I were checking off a list of emperors and personalities. But since I’m fully “freestyle” now, I try to only buy stuff that I can afford in Fine or better grades, problem-free.

    Would I relax this stance if I had the opportunity to pick up something rare and decent looking, albeit low grade with a minor problem or two, that I couldn’t otherwise afford? Maybe I’d compromise then.

    Especially for something like the US Chain cent that @kanga posted. Or a budget aureus with banker’s marks. But since I stay in two- and three-figure price territory, I couldn’t afford either of those things even by compromising.
     
  18. Harry G

    Harry G Well-Known Member

    I have a couple of contenders. Both are only just identifiable, but both were in my top 10 buys for this year :)

    Carausius - VIRTVS CARAVSI AVG (extr. rare)
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    Obverse: VIRTVS CARAVSI AVG - Radiate, bust wearing imperial mantle and facing left, holding eagle-tipped sceptre
    Reverse: PAX AVG - Pax standing left, holding olive branch and vertical sceptre. F-O in field, ML in exergue


    Postumus as Hercules (Unpublished)
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    Obverse: POSTVMVS AVG - Radiate bust left, holding club over right shoulder, lion's head on left shoulder
    Reverse: ORIENS AVG - Sol advancing left holding raising right hand and holding whip in left.

    The condition of this coin may improve when/if I try and get it professionally cleaned
     
  19. Cherd

    Cherd Junior Member Supporter

    Couldn't have said it better myself. The primary enjoyment that I get out of my coin collection is derived from showing it to other people and, lets face it, unattractive coins just don't hold laypeople's attention :inpain:

    We must have similar criteria as well, as the 2 lowest grade coins in my collection are also Ch F.

    This Agrippa:
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    And this Crispina:
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    Not that "low grade" and "ugly" are the same thing. I actually find the Crispina acceptably appealing, however, I do plan to upgrade the Agrippa someday.
     
  20. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    I too find it important to impress laypeople, for some reason. It's another reason I try to do my writeups in a more "general audience" style and keep the jargon and abbreviations to a minimum. You never know, that layman who's looking at your coin today might be your collecting colleague next year.

    I agree that "low grade" and "ugly" are definitely NOT synonymous. I find there are a number of low grade but appealing coins.

    And I like your Crispina, but then I like Crispinas in general.

    Speaking of low grade but appealing Crispinas, this sestertius was in my first Roman collection. Love that giraffe neck and the stately looking portrait.

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  21. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

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