Someone really hated Athena!

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by JayAg47, Dec 1, 2021.

  1. JayAg47

    JayAg47 Well-Known Member

    I saw this listing on ebay and while the reverse is not bad, the test cut on obverse really speaks for itself (Certainly not made by an Athenian I hope!).
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  3. GinoLR

    GinoLR Well-Known Member

    The guy was probably tired of testing an enormous pile of tetradrachms one by one, he had to finish the job quickly and did care no more. Usually these test-cuts are done on the reverse.

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  4. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Back then, it was the metal that most merchants were concerned about rather than the imagery. Philistines.

    That's an interesting countermark on the obverse of your coin, @GinoLR.
     
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  5. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    That's a pretty bad test cut.

    Could be worse, could have gone all the way through the coin itself.
     
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  6. GinoLR

    GinoLR Well-Known Member

    Philistines? You could not say it better. Test-cutting Attic tetradrachms was a current practice in 4th c. BC Philistian cities like Gaza, Ascalon, Raphia... It seems cut coins were accepted as well as intact ones. Maybe even better, because you could see there were solid silver. A hoard found in Rafah contained hundreds of imitative drachms and more than 350 Attic tetradrachms: approx. one half of the tetradrachms were defaced one may or another, with countermarks, punches, drills, test-cuts on the reverse or even on the obverse...
    Well... this was not only Philistian. The Attic owls of the so-called "1973 Iraq Hoard", allegedly found near Babylon, were even more defaced !
     
  7. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Overall, I believe more people avoided defacing the goddess than not. There are exceptions to every rule but that one is an extreme example. It is from the period when they were folding flans which would seem to, in itself, make it harder to conceal a core. I wonder what it was about that coin that caused it to get such treatment beyond the usual.
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    one barely enough to mean anything
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    A weak cut by the tail that raised suspicion followed by a severe on that proved the point
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  8. kevin McGonigal

    kevin McGonigal Well-Known Member

    I think Alcabiades worked at a Lacedemonian banking house for a while.
     
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  9. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    If it was, then the Athenians were perhaps less superstitious about their deities than I would have guessed.
     
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  10. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

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    Athens Owl AR Tet 17.4g 20.4mm x 7.5mm Late Classical 393-300 BC, Sear 2537, SNG Cop. 63 edge-crud
     
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  11. Gam3rBlake

    Gam3rBlake Well-Known Member

  12. GinoLR

    GinoLR Well-Known Member

    I have seen this hacksilber hoard in an article, but cannot remember which one!
     
  13. Gam3rBlake

    Gam3rBlake Well-Known Member

    Yeah with hacksilver they tended to go by weight.

    I know the Vikings at one point used the “Mark” of 200 grams of fine silver.

    “In the Laws of Canute an unknown man who was killed and was presumed to be a Dane, and the vill/tithing was compelled to pay 40 marks for his death.”

    But it was tough to find coins with a weight divisible by 200 so they could cut coins into pieces when adding another whole coin would’ve made it overweight.

    Not just coins either. They’d chop up religious ornaments made of precious metals too.
     
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