DIVO NVMERIANO

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  1. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

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    Numerian, after his death
    21 mm. 3.17 grams.
    Struck Nov. 284 - spring 285.
    This is easy to date because it is after the death of Numerian (Nov. 284) and before the dynasty of Carus ended with the death of Carinus (Spring 285).
    DIVO NVMERIAN
    CONSECRATIO
    Eagle standing with wings half spread and head left
    KAA
    RIC Numerianus Augustus 424, Rome mint, page 196

    Carus, his father, became emperor at the end of August, 282. His brother, Carinus, last of the short dynasty, died in Spring 285. Several events, discussed on this web page:

    http://augustuscoins.com/ed/Carus/

    can be used to date their coins more closely than just the span of their reign. I just added this coin to that page. It is dated as belonging to the period after Numerian died (It is a DIVO/CONSECRATIO piece) issued before Carinus died. Carinus was replaced by Diocletian (who would obviously not honor a deceased rival).

    If you have a coin or Carus, Carinus, or Numerian, take a look on that page and see if you can date it to one of the time periods discussed there.
     
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  3. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    By your table, this coin of Carinus was minted after the brothers' promotion to augustus but before the death of Numerian. So somewhere between February/March 283 and November 284. That's if I read it correctly lol.
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    Carinus
    AE Antoninianus
    283-285 AD
    Lyons mint
    Obverse: IMP CARINVS dot P dot F dot AVG, radiate, draped, cuirassed bust right Reverse: VICTORIA AVGG, Victory walking left, holding wreath and palm, A in left field.
     
  4. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Yes, that time period is correct. I love how some Roman coins can be so narrowly dated.
     
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  5. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    It makes it easy when some of these guys had pretty short reigns ;)
    It is really cool though. My wife couldn't believe it when I showed her a coin the other week that could be narrowly dated. Granted, it was my Quintillus that came from one of the first ever uncleaned lots I bought :p
     
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  6. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    Nice pickup! Coins of Numerian are pretty scarce, and command solid prices when they do show up. I lucked into mine well before I even knew what I had, it was actually this coin that gave me the crazy idea to attempt to collect by title, not just a "one each" collection!

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  7. Julius Germanicus

    Julius Germanicus Well-Known Member

    According to Pink, the dating of my Medallion can be narrowed down to a period of just ten days in early August 283 AD, after the death of Carus became known in the capital and before Carinus arrived at Rome, where he (personally?) distributed Medallions bearing his and his new co-ruler Numerian´s portraits to the Senators and other dignitaries to promote the new regime.
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    IMP C AVR NVMERIANVS AVG - MONETA AVGG
    Bronze Medallion, Rome mint, 1.-10. August 283 AD
    32,55 mm / 20,86 gr
    Cohen Numerian 32 (this coin), Gnecchi II, Numerian 9 (this coin)
     
  8. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Cool coin, Warren!! And that's a great write-up about these on your website!

    Here's my most photogenic coin of the man.

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    Numerian, Augustus AD 283-284.
    Roman billon Antoninianus, 4.09 g, 20 mm.
    Cyzicus, Feb/Mar 283-Nov 284.
    Obv: IMP C NVMERIANVS P F AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right.
    Rev: CLEMENTIA TEMP, Numerian standing right, holding short scepter and receiving Victory on globe from Jupiter standing left, holding scepter; officina mark B in field; in exergue, XXI.
    Refs: RIC 463; Cohen 8; RCV 12243.
     
  9. wittwolf

    wittwolf Well-Known Member

    Awesome coins,
    Ill just add another sandy Carinus here coming from the time when Carinus and Numerian ruled together as Augusti:
    Emperor Carinus - Antoninianus - VIRTVS AVGG - Tripoli mint
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  10. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Another approach after you pass the 'one per' phase is to get different mints. I never completed the set but like the style differences on these coins of Numerian as Augustus.
    Lugdunum
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    Ticinum
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    I'm less certain on this one. The A's look like Has on the one I call Ticinum but the style is different and the M's lack symmetry.
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    Antioch
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  11. Archeocultura

    Archeocultura Well-Known Member

    I only have two coins: this is the nicest one.
    Radiate and cuirassed bust right / Numerian standing left, holding globe and scepter; two captives at feet; KAS. RIC V 422

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  12. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Here's one from Alexandria for your perusal...

    Historically, Diocletian circulated the story that the prefect Arrius Aper had slain Numerian. As a result, Diocletian drew his sword and slayed Aper in front of the assembled troops, swearing an oath to the gods that he (known as Diocles at the time) was innocent of any crime...

    Numerian, Feb/March 283 - Oct/Nov 284 A.D.

    Roman Provincial Egypt

    Billon Tetradrachm, 8.26 grams, 20.7 mm, Alexandria mint

    Obverse: AK M A NOVMEPIANOC CEB
    Laureate, draped, and cuirassed bust right

    Reverse: Athena seated left on high backed throne, wearing crested helmet, long scepter in left hand, Nike offering wreath in right hand.

    Reference: Köln 3192-3193; Dattari 5607, Emmett 4013; Sear 12272


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  13. Tejas

    Tejas Well-Known Member

    Here is my favourite Numerianus Antoninian:

    Obv.: M AVR NVMERIANVS NOB C
    Rev.: PRINCIPI IVVENTVT/VXXI
    Mint: Ticinum
    Date: first quarter AD 283

    I like the naturalistic bust on this coin.

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  14. Bing

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  15. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    @Bing has Numerian as Caesar with a MARS VICTOR reverse.
    Here is my Numerian as Augustus with a MARS VICTOR reverse.
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  16. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    My coins of the two sons and the father, all dated in accordance with the augustuscoins website:

    Numerian, AE Antoninianus, Feb/Mar 283 [promotion to Augustus] - Nov. 284 [death of Numerian], Ticinum Mint [now Pavia, Italy] (6th Officina). Obv. Radiate and cuirassed bust right, IMP NVMERIANVS P F AVG / Rev. Providentia* standing facing, head left, holding corn ears with right hand over modius at feet left, and holding cornucopiae in right arm, PROVIDENT AVGG; in exergue, VIXXI [6th Officina, 20/1 copper/silver ratio of alloy]. RIC V-2 447, Sear RCV III 12253, Cohen 83, Pink [Karl Pink 1949] p. 29, Series 4. 22.6 mm., 4.15 g. Ex. Pegasi Numismatics, Auction 41, Dec. 11, 2019, Lot 627. Formerly in NGC slab, Cert. No. 5768552-009, Graded AU, Strike: 5/5, Surface 4/5.) [For dating, see http://augustuscoins.com/ed/Carus.]

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    *Despite the reverse legend referring to Providentia, the personification depicted has the attributes of Annona (grain and modius) rather than Providentia (globe). The legend and image can be interpreted as conveying that the foresight of the Emperor has permitted the abundance of Annona.

    His father and brother:

    Carus, silvered AE Antoninianus, late Autumn 282 [second son, Numerian, elevated to Caesar] - Autumn 283 AD [death of Carus], Antioch Mint (1st Officina). Obv. Radiate bust right, IMP C M AVR CARVS PF AVG/ Rev. VIRTUS AVGGG, Carus, standing right, receives Victory from Jupiter standing left, holding long scepter, star in upper field, A in lower middle field (= 1st Officina, Antioch Mint), XXI in exergue [20/1 copper/silver ratio of alloy]. RIC V-2 125(A), Sear RCV III 12190, ERIC II 141, Cohen 117. 20.25 mm., 3.59 g. [For the dating of Carus’s coins with AVGGG reverse (issued at Antioch mint only), see http://augustuscoins.com/ed/Carus.]

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    Carinus, AE Antoninianus, Feb/Mar 283 [promotion to Augustus] - Spring 285 [death of Carinus], Ticinum Mint [now Pavia, Italy] (3rd Officina). Obv. Radiate, draped, and cuirassed bust right, IMP CARINVS P F AVG / Rev. Felicitas standing facing, head left, left elbow resting on column, holding caduceus with raised right hand, FELICIT PVBLICA; in exergue, TXXI [3rd Officina, 20/1 copper/silver ratio of alloy]. RIC V-2 295, Sear RCV III 12343 (ill.), Cohen 24, Pink [Karl Pink 1949] p. 29, Series 4. 23.6 mm., 3.83 g. [For dating, see http://augustuscoins.com/ed/Carus.]

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