Do I have a beef?

Gol Dang it!
What we got here is a marketplace.
And somebody that bought something is saying that that something they bought was not honestly represented prior to purchse.
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Let us please put ourselves in this fellow's shoes and admit that, had this been done to us we would feel as he does.
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Yes,nay, hell yes, this seller has pulled some 'fast sh*t". Although perhaps (and that is VERY much a contingent 'perhaps') within the strict letter of the law he hasn't defrauded you, you certainly HAVE (IMO) been taken advantage of.
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Is our collective interest best served by this kind of krap? Or are we a community that stands by, for, and behind that which is true and correct?
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Yes, I agree the buyer needs to 'watch out'. BUT the pre-eminent consideration must necessarily be that sellers NOT mis-represent their offerings. The buyer did his part in this transaction. What he received was less than what appeared to have been offered. Had the seller made even the most rudimentary effort to show what he actually had, this thread would never have appeared. I won't say the seller is a crook, but I sure wouldn't assume otherwise either after this unsavory attempt to dupe a buyer.

 

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Yes, the seller's photo is pretty sorry. That doesn't necessarily mean they intended to defraud.

Seller has a return policy. If you don't like the coin, return it. IMO it is wrong to leave bad feedback without giving the seller a chance to "make it right" by returning your money.

Give the seller a chance ! Communicate. Tell them your thoughts and see how they respond.

 

I agree with this much... don't assume anything. Contact the seller and test the waters. Do it ASAP.

 

Many sad responces to an even sadder OP!!!

Here is an original idea, maybe the seller took the best picture he/she felt like taking, maybe that pictures quality was bad and you knew that and maybe you took a gamble that the coin would be better than the picture, but by your own admission that you hoped it would be better than the picture you admit you bid understanding that the picture was misleading, you just got allll upset when it turned out to be under your expectations and not over, BUT you were still BETTING it might be over. Keep the coin and stop your whining or send it back.
Now all you trigger happy neg shooters that have replied, grow up, you are the types of people that kill the enjoyment of small time sellers, " I wasn't happy so I just negged the seller " what you should be saying is you negged the seller because you are too immature to learn how to A) send the coin back there is a return option and/or B) Talk to the Seller and figure things out like a mature adult.

 

I agree with I am just not happy leaving and leaving a negative. BUT in the case of obvious deceipt it could warrant a negative. With the graded coins and the number of coins this seller has listed he should have clearly stated the coin was damaged,cleaned and wire brushed. Even small sellers should learn what they are selling clearly state the condition of the coin. This stuff of "judge the coin yourself" should not give them a free pass. BUT in this case(based off the photos) I would return the coin, get my refund and leave a neutral stating the pictures did not show ALL OF the damage to the coin. Then I would watch to see if they reposted it and noted the cleaning and condition of the coin. If the new auction did not include information about the damage in the next auction I would report it to ebay.

Now if you are going to buy raw copper off ebay - you will not be able to avoid problem coins. Granted you can see the majority of the problems in the pictures - except for the additional whizzing from top to bottom. My recommendation is to find a good copper dealer (there are plenty) that carries reasonable priced coins. Compare coins and photo's - most especially prices. I know how everybody likes to save money, but I could point you to a coin 10x's nicer than that one for $60(plus shipping). I do not deny there are some good deals on ebay, but more times than not they are over priced. I routinely skim all of the large cent auctions and 9 times out of 10 they are over priced problem coins or have bad pictures. I am not knocking others buying these coins, it is not like I do not have a few problem coins myself - but if you do your home work you can get more solid coins from a dealer for a few bucks more.

Just my humble opinion!

 

regardless of what the seller said in the auction - it's obvious he intentionally hid the true condition of the coin. That's deceptive and I would return it under his guarantee. Period...

 

Sorry man, no amount of toning will hide those deep scratches. I wouldn't even bother buying the toner/darkener for the experiment.

The seller intentionally deceived you through the pics and description. I would pay the return shipping w/delivery confirmation of course (probably $4) and at least get your $23.48 back. You'll still be out $4, but at least you recouped most of your money.

-LTB

 

If you are unhappy with the coin, return it and let the seller know of your dissatisfaction. TC

 

while there is good cause for returning the coin, I caution the OP on how the negative feedback comments are worded. It is quite possible, those are the best photos the seller could provide for one reason or another. So be careful to not accuse the seller of being intentionally deceptive, rather give them the opportunity to make things right with you, and include the sellers response in the info in your feedback as well. Take advantage of the return policy. Three days ? you better get it going ! Lets see how you both can work this out, hopefully with professionalism.

 

There is no toning in the e-bay picture either. So you should have realized the cleaning.

Negative feedback should be used if the seller doens't address your issue. You are not even giving him a chance to correct.

 

We always see buyer beware tossed around in these threads. I also hear "well maybe that's the best picture he could take". I want to address these 2 points in one response.

As a seller of something it is in YOUR best interest (not to mention your responsibility) to represent your item honestly. I can't count the number of threads here I have read in the last year about misleading photography. I would think that you should want to take the best picture possibile to help your item sell and also to make sure that the piece looks at least similar to how it looks in hand. This keeps your customers happy and minimizes the amount of returns you are going to come up with. There are digital cameras out there that cost less then $50 used or refurbished that take pictures light years ahead of these pictures. I mean $50 doesn't seem to be a stretch for this seller seeing how he is also selling an 1928 peace dollar in AU which is a several hundred dollar coin. I always play the devils advocate in these situations... but seriously... why would you want your pictures to look like these??? I can think of only one answer.... and I'll let you guys fill in the blank.

 

While I agree with you LD, if a seller is purposely misrepresenting their items with photos or the written word, they ultimately pay a heavy price for doing so. In this situation, I feel that the cool head and soft word approach in this situation might prevail to accommodate and educate both the seller and the buyer. I know personally neither the buyer nor seller.

 

I agree DO NOT leave negative feedback unless the seller does not correct the issue. IMO you should always give people a chance to make it right before leaving negative feedback

 

I agree that's how it should be handled. And I'm sure he would say "oh, ok no problem I'll return that for you ASAP". Problem solved in this situation. Positive feedback and he goes on to sell another day.

MOST people like this know their pictures stink... and they know they get their fees refunded when it gets returned so where is the motivation to change their habits? They keep throwing the crap at the wall and eventually it'll stick somewhere. This is chapter one of the slimy coin seller book. You toss complete garbage out there... completely misrepresent it... and eventually your going to find the one that doesn't send it back... and then that garbage coin is their problem and no longer the slimy dealers.

I'm not saying if this particular dealer is doing this or not... Obviously I can't say. It just looks like it from what I see.

 

Very poor pic,s indeed! To try and analyze this coin with those
Pic,s is like:headbang:

 

This may be true in many instances. For this very reason I suggested that the OP specifically state in their negative feedback, (which is justified here ) precisely what the initial issue was, Poor and deceptive images of the coin, whether unintentional or intentional. After reading one of those negative feedbacks pertaining to this critical issue should be sufficient for any future buyer to be wary of this sellers practices .
My first disagreement with any such purchase on ebay, would be why the seller is demanding a quick three day return policy. For me, a fair sales agreement includes a 7 day return policy commencing on the date the coin was received. Anything less is totally unacceptable and highly suspicious in my opinion.

I just took a look at the sellers other items for sale. Each listing limits a return policy to three days. I would not want to conduct an internet transaction with anyone that restricts returns in this manner. Secondly, the sellers images of other items are similarly of poor quality IMHO
Don't buy into the grab bag if your not prepared to get something of lesser value than what it cost to participate. You know the old saying " looks are deceiving", well in this venue, Photos are usually deceiving.

 

Back to the OP's real question (emphasis mine)

To me, those conditions, if not 100% mutually exclusive, are about as close as you can get to being so. If you are going to keep the coin, I believe what you are saying is that the seller's pictures are hurting the seller more than the buyer.

 

Both LD and I have addressed the OP's questions. I'm confused with your comments though.

 

The seller is obviously using a scanner here guys, and he is using the same type of scan on his $300 coin as the one he sold you so like I said he isn't trying to deceive anyone, his pics just aren't that great!!!

 

Looks are decieving... Please take a look. I took these photos within minutes appart using same camera settings, ISO speed etc, one photo taken in low light area , the other photo taken in good day light. One would naturally freak out if he bought the coin that did not match the photo, when in fact both photos are of the actual coin. Photos are decieving. I bet you can't tell which photo truly shows actual coins color? AS for the seller, he should have stated the coins condition, if cleaned, if nice patina, any defects. TOO many auction listings are saying ...look at the picture and decide for yourself. Next time, email the seller and ask for detailed discription of coin, if he is hesitant to answer email, don't buy. GL ozarktravler