Can one clip the (thick) solidus of Carthage?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Herberto, Nov 14, 2021.

  1. Herberto

    Herberto Well-Known Member

    If you are deep in byzantine coinage you should know that gold coins minted in Constantinople have a flat form like a pizza, but that gold coins minted in Carthage in contrary have a thick fabric form like a gokart-tyre.

    That is the best way I can explain it.

    For example here the first one is from Constantinople, and the second one from Carthage:

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    b.jpg


    Note that they don't have the same size. The first one from Constantinople tend to be 22 mm or so, and the second one from Carthage tend to be 12 mm or so. However, both tend to have the same weight and tend to be 4,5 grams or so.

    They are like pizza and gokart-tyre in comparision. That is the best way I can explain it.

    Now all this is making me to wonder since clipping ocurred and was illegal in the empire. You can use a scissors to clip the corner of the solidus of Constantinople to take some gold for youself. But can you also use a scissors to clip the thick solidus of Carthage?

    Have you ever seen a thick Solidus of Carthage being clipped to be 3,9 grams for example?

    I hope my question makes sense. At least for those who are into byzantine coinage.

    Have a nice day folks
     
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  3. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    It sure looks as if the thick Solidus has been clipped .
    Good question though.
     
  4. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    Herberto, You have to make a distinction between clipped & adjusted, & this is something that 3rd party grading companies often fail to do ;). Since most Byzantine coins are thin, the only practical way to adjust the weight of an over-weight flan is to file the edge until it falls into the correct parameters. Sometimes defining exactly what those tolerance zones are can be debatable. It is very rare to see an over-weight solidus (max weight being 4.54 gm), therefor mint officials kept a close eye on the weight of these coins, heavy flans were filed down to meet the correct weight.
     
  5. medoraman

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    Besides clipping, shaving was popular. Take a bunch of new coins, scrape the edges against a sharp knife, and you get a little pile of unearned profit. I would find the Carthage ones more susceptible to shaving than clipping.
     
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  6. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    one must, i reckon, figure these coins were clipped, shaved, cut etc. whence they were in circulation..at any rate, those on your gold coins were more merciful than those on this (silver)Charles V, golden fleece(which someone did) coin :) IMG_0769.JPG IMG_0770.JPG Charles V, Naples Order of the Golden Fleece. 21.6mm, 2.30gms
     
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  7. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Yeah/ there was a lot of adjustment marks on gold coins struck in France between 1715-86:(

    Here is one of mine from Heritage/ Caranett collection
    AV Louis d'or 1751-BB
    Strasbourg Mint lf (31).jpg lf (32).jpg
     
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