Rarely seen 1967 business strike with steps.

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  1. leothelion

    leothelion Junior Member

    The thing I've learned about the poorly struck Jeffs with steps, the steps had help forming taking up the metal that should had went to the other design features that were no longer in the dies. Not to rain on anyone's beliefs but such coins are not genuine full steppers. And I do take in account fully detailed Jefferson nickels are not out there in abundance to be had by everyone. One just needs to ask themselves why the steps were the only design feature to strike up on their coin. Once you get a sound reason why that is...than we're all good. There is a reason. Here's another 1953-S but with weak reverse features but a lot of steps. Got it off ebay for a few bucks. 1953Sx.jpg
     
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  3. leothelion

    leothelion Junior Member

    That is funny considering the following definition comes from the US Mint glossary.
    Blank: Another word for planchet, the blank piece of metal on which a coin design is stamped.

    Key word: Stamped....if you missed it.

    Leon
     
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  4. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

  5. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    Check out the almost lack of S in cents in the reverse of my 54-S. Very weak strike. This coin is MS. Polish_20201006_204157835~2.jpg Polish_20201006_204157835~3.jpg
     
  6. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    Whatever guess another memory mix up.
     
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    Tamaracian 12+ Yr Member--Supporter

  8. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    I am also at a loss as to why the OP is getting a hard time.

    I have been working on my NGC Jefferson Nickel Registry set for almost 15 years. Until last month, my slot 1967 was empty. That's right, empty. In 15 years, I had never found a 1967 worthy of my collection, and my collecting focus is on eye appeal, not strike and full steps like Leon's. Whatever you guys might think of Leon, he is one of the most knowledgeable Jefferson Nickel collectors in the entire world, and his elation over finding a gem grade 1967 with 3 full steps is entirely reasonable.

    As is mine for finally filling one of the biggest holes in my registry collection.

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    Now I'm sure that PCGS would call this coin an MS66 or MS66+, but look at the steps and then compare them to Leon's coin. Anyone shortchanging the magnitude of Leon's find is only exposing their own misunderstanding of the elusiveness of this date/mm.
     
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  9. Jim Dale

    Jim Dale Well-Known Member

    I know that there are Proof coins, Uncirculated Coins, and Circulated Coins. Recently, I have read about Business Strike Coins. Please help me understand... What are Business Strike Coins compared to Circulation Coins?
     
  10. masterswimmer

    masterswimmer A Caretaker, can't take it with me

    Business strike coins are coins minted for circulation. Proof is just the minting process.
    Uncirculated coins are just business strike that are bagged, rolled and found before they develop circulation wear.
     
  11. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    Just wanted to post the quality of the 1967s that I handled today.

    Typical 1967 Jefferson Nickel Business Strike:

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    Premium GEM SMS 1967 Jefferson Nickel:

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  12. leothelion

    leothelion Junior Member

    Thank you for your input/expertise but I pale considerably to nonexistence to guys like Bern Nagengast, Bill Fivas and others I've look up to over the years. And congrats to a very nice 1967 Jefferson Nickel Business Strike you have. My other 1967 BS has just two quarter steps less than the one posted and far less of a strike. I don't agree with the 65 grade PCGS gave it.....MS64 is more in line. But like some posted here, if they haven't searched for this coin, how would they know? But I have enjoyed their posts as well, some challenging, to say the least.
    1967BS.jpg

    Leon
     
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  13. cladking

    cladking Coin Collector

    Nice '67 @leothelion. ...The first one.

    The '67 SMS isn't real tough with FS but the services won't designate them. My sample size is small but about .3% of them are FS.
     
  14. leothelion

    leothelion Junior Member

    Hey buddy, how's it going? The SMS 67 gave me some trouble...heck, I can't remember but I think I have a raw 5 complete stepper.....not a 6 stepper for the SMS, I'd have to check my boxes. The cameo in my collection I know doesn't have 5 steps.
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    Leo
     
  15. cladking

    cladking Coin Collector

    Nice cameo.

    I just sold off my '67 sets and expected to have lots of nice nickels. I had a few FS's but no nice cameos. In fact, there were precious few real Gems of any denomination.

    I just expected a lot better because average quality is so much better than the '65 and '66 but the number of top grades seemed to actually be lower. I always liked the '66 set best followed closely by the '65 with the '67 a distant third so maybe I checked a lot fewer of the 67's for Gems. The '65 is probably so hot now because while fewer have been disassembled none have been reassembled with inferior coins making it scarcer.

    The SMS's are a grossly overlooked series as are the nice chBU and Gem regular issues. Despite saving large numbers of '66 nickels in rolls from various sources I couldn't find any Gems or FS before I sold them recently. Of course a lot of it has to do with luck, too.
     
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  16. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

  17. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    No. It’s gunna happen
     
  18. chascat

    chascat Well-Known Member

    I've never seen a SMS 5c with full steps...always a flat area on bottom 3 steps...none are certified either.
     
  19. cladking

    cladking Coin Collector

    They are very uncommon but not rare.

    The reason they aren't certified is the services simply don't recognize FS on PR and SMS.

    The '67 is probably the toughest of the three SMS ('65-7) coins in FS.
     
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  20. chascat

    chascat Well-Known Member

    Maybe so, but I don't think there is a single 65-67SMS with full steps in existence...please show pics. of one.
     
  21. RonSanderson

    RonSanderson Supporter! Supporter

    This would have come close, since the strike is good, even if it caught a few dings before being packaged into the plastic SMS holder.
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