Rarely seen 1967 business strike with steps.

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  1. John Burgess

    John Burgess Well-Known Member

    Oh, well that was my misunderstanding.....
    Well in that case, congrats! you found an extremely common MS65 1967 nickel, Not sure why it took you 30 years to find one there's plenty of 1967 MS65 nickels without full steps to choose from out there.

    you titled it "rarely seen business strike with steps" if it doesn't grade as any level of full steps, then congrats, you have a common Jefferson nickel just like the other Millions of them.
     
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  3. Dave Waterstraat

    Dave Waterstraat Well-Known Member

    So what you are saying is it took 75 years to find a business strike with a strike through on the steps?o_O
     
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  4. chascat

    chascat Well-Known Member

    None in SMS either, but this one is exceptional.
     
  5. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    Ask and you shall receive. We are here is help by experience, but in the end it is simply opinion. It is up to you to accept or not. Good luck and thanks for the post. Sorry, no opinion.
     
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  6. leothelion

    leothelion Junior Member

    Here's another unheard of Jefferson nickel;
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  7. RonSanderson

    RonSanderson Supporter! Supporter

    The coin in the original post is so much better than the typical business strike, like this one,

    05c 1967 #02 full 01.gif

    That I have to wonder, are we sure the OPs coin is not a SMS after all, like this?

    05c 1967 SMS full 01.gif
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  8. leothelion

    leothelion Junior Member

    In 1967, the reverse hub was improved, reengraved that made the steps appear to curve back down towards the field....similar to yours. But no business strikes were struck using the improved rev. dies. One way to distinguish a business strike from a SMS is to look at the third side, outside flat area beyond the edge to see how smooth/proof-like it is for the SMS. On a business strike, the 3rd side will look rough with many horizontal lines.
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  9. John Burgess

    John Burgess Well-Known Member

    posted enough pictures for me to figure out this stuff is for sale on collectors universe. I check your profile, 32 posts since 2007, 14 years.....pretty clear why you are here to me, but anyways, good luck selling your wares, I'm clicking ignore. I'm not interested in you talking up slightly better than usual jefferson nickels.... only asking $2 million for 186 nickels,.....that's a bargain~! hahahaha
     
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  10. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    32 messages in 14 years...try and cut back
     
  11. Mac McDonald

    Mac McDonald Well-Known Member

    Indeed you didn't...everyone just assumed (knee-jerked) and ran with it into a tizzie, as if.:woot:
     
  12. John Burgess

    John Burgess Well-Known Member

    what was the point then if he wasn't aiming at it being full steps???
    nevermind, enjoy your day!
     
  13. RonSanderson

    RonSanderson Supporter! Supporter

    If you look at my photo of a typical 1967, a common nickel has zero steps. Not even a hint of any steps. I happen to think that to go from no steps whatever to significant steps is sort of a big deal. And finding it in a roll, rather than a slab, is also kind of a big deal. And even if it turned out to be an SMS, finding it in a roll is still kind of a big deal.

    I don’t really follow why the OP is being given such a hard time here.
     
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  14. leothelion

    leothelion Junior Member

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  15. leothelion

    leothelion Junior Member

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    Exactly! Locating a 1967 business strike showing any steps or more than one on the Monticello has evaded (seaasoned) Jefferson nickel collectors for years. And after 30+ years when this coin I posted finally surfaces and lands in my collection, I have a great reason for being elated. It is well know among many seasoned Jefferson nickel collectors that there are very few (business strikes) nickels with full steps dating 1965 to 1970.
    But no harm done, I've had my share of dealings with people of little experience with Jefferson nickels. I don't expect them to understand right away. It's very difficult parlaying the right information without upsitting them. I've ran a coin list in Numismatic News for a number of years before having a website for another 7 years. And now been a Coin Universe member for about 30 years, I've heard it all.
    Here's another than has elude me and others for years, an early die state 1953-S. Leon
     
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  16. leothelion

    leothelion Junior Member

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  17. coloradobryan

    coloradobryan Well-Known Member

    The ops coin is not an SMS. Pretty hard to find busness strikes with any steps.
     
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  18. leothelion

    leothelion Junior Member

    The center mark is a strike-thru meaning something got in the way usually a shaving of metal during the making of this coin. Granted, the mark does interfere with the continuation of steps but since the mark occurred at the time the coin was stamped, I can overlook the flaw and not let it take away what the coin truly is, an early example of a decent strike for this date.
    Here's a 1954-D with a huge strike-thru just under the 5th step but the strike and steps are exceptionally nice for this very tough date.
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  19. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    Coins are minted not stamped lol Don't worry I got my coin stamped before sending it to China:hilarious::hilarious:.
     
  20. RonSanderson

    RonSanderson Supporter! Supporter

    That’s a really well struck 53-S. For members without one at hand to compare, here’s one that is much closer to full steps, but which I would readily swap for one with the incised details in the windows and other details.

    This is why I wish they had chosen a metric other than Full Steps to describe the strike. It is obvious to me that the OP’s coin is much better, but I guess there is still room for alternate opinions. Edit: supplied full resolution photos so you can see the die wear and the resulting coin surface in microscopic detail.

    05c 1953-S obverse 06.JPG 05c 1953-S reverse 06.JPG

    The worn dies do add to the luster because of the orange-peel surface that has developed.
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  21. leothelion

    leothelion Junior Member

    Back in the late 1990's I came across an old gent in Springfield Missouri. He was a Smelter by trade and he told me they would throw the bag in along with the coins to be melted. But he searched a few of those bags in his time and I ended up with 6-7 full step 1953-S nickels. I sold them all for around $100 each back then before PCGS started grading. (Yes, I still kick myself whenever I think about it. And I think a few of those coins ended up in Registry sets.) But they all had poor strikes. Be he also sent an EDS example to me to look at, he would not sell it to me, I had to send it back. Beside the coin I posted, his coin was the only other coin I've seen struck so nicely.
    But here's a 1953-S I use to own but sold it some 15 years ago. It now resides in a MS66FS holder.
    1953Sw5.jpg 1953Sw6.jpg

    Leon
     
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