1909 S VDB Questions#2

Please give me your opinion.
Is it real? Grade? Would PCGS grade it?
The coin has a cool history that I'll post later.

 

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I think it is a real 1909- VDB, but that "S" looks to me to be added. It is the wrong angle/position.

 

Iffy ???

 

Not good enough to tell if it is a fake, but I would say F-12 range, assuming that is not corrosion on the top right wheat stalk.

 

The MM is higher than the pic in ?1....

 

The position matches die #3. It looks like the coin has been smashed. I think I see a hint of the MM die chip. VF-20

 

F15/VF20 can't wait for the story on it, it ain't the purdiest...

 

No two ways

No two ways about it. This Lincoln has a history.....so what is it?
and great photos:thumb:

 

It's a fun story and I'm working on it but my wife has a shovel for me.
If I don't go out and shovel the ice and snow she is going to use it on me.

 

Ditto!! Someone cleaned the heck out of that coin!!

 

She must have beat the crap out of him. Still no story!

 

maybe

maybe~it's snowing faster than he can shovel?

 

I can run faster than she can.
I'm looking for an image for the post. Hang on a while longer.

 

This is a story of grandmother's coin collection, found in the attic. One of the few I know to be true.

About 10 years back a great friend came by and handed me several old Premium cards, some called them coin boards. He wanted to just leave them with me but we took a while to look at the Lincoln card. The hole for the 1909 S VDB and the 14 D were empty. He was shocked at what those two coins might have been worth.

Now for the bad part. The Lincoln set and a Barber dime set had scotch tape across every coin in the holders. The tape was yellow and so old that it was falling off and turning to powder. Every coin had glue from the tape stuck to it.

Late that night I had my first chance to take a better look. If not for the glue the Lincoln set was really nice. Several VF- EF coins in the set. The first coin I took out of the holder was in the 09 S hole. Guess what was on the reverse. The VDB, just in the wrong hole. That made for a really fun phone call to my friend.

Every coin got a few acetone baths and that removed most of the glue with no rubbing. The OP coin came out the way you see it. You can still see some of the glue in the date image. Didn't notice that till now. It's a problem coin for sure but one with quite a history. I can see the old gal finally finding an 09 S and putting it in the holder.

Premium cards were made in the 30,s and 40,s. Joseph Oberwise & CO started it all. If you filled the Lincoln card and took it in you got $3 to $5 for the set. That seems crazy in todays times.

David Lange wrote a book on these. Looks like something really fun to read. Below is an image from an old Ebay auction.

 

Looks real to me. I'd say F-12 details environmental damage net G-6

 

That explains a lot of the gunk on the coin and maybe even GDJMSP's cleaning comment. However, this mintmark is below the 9's and the only real mintmark below the 9's is #4. That one is both vertical and to the right of the mintmark on your coin. Additionally, the shape does not look right to me. Therefore, I still do not believe it is real. You have it in hand. Do you agree?

 

I was going to post the same pic of the die pairs just could not find it in time!

 

It only took me a year and that's normal for me
PCGS has it and no work was done on the coin. It's due back any day now and I'll post the results. Take a last shot at it. I'm thinking a genuine holder with problems.