1909 S VDB Questions#3

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  1. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    ANACS graded this one. As you can tell, I need practice imaging Lincolns.
    What would you grade this one?

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    ldhair, Jan 30, 2010
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  3. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Photographing woodies is not always the easiest and doing it in a slab is even harder. It is almost as difficult as trying to grade one from a photograph.

    Maybe it just the picture, but that coin does not look like it has the luster. 63RB.
     
    rlm's cents, Jan 30, 2010
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  4. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    I was also thinking 63RB.
     
    LostDutchman, Jan 30, 2010
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  5. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

    63rb....
     
    Arizona Jack, Jan 30, 2010
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  6. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    My grade 62RB - for some reason the obverse weak strike is not to my liking(just my opinion based on the picture) and I agree with the others ANACs is 63RB.
     
    mark_h, Jan 30, 2010
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  7. dracula370

    dracula370 Mmmmmmm......Bacon

    I think in an NGC or PCGS slab 63RB would be it...looks like an older ANACS slab...hafta go 64RB then.
     
    dracula370, Jan 30, 2010
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  8. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    Nice coin!

    MS-64 RB
     
    BadThad, Jan 31, 2010
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  9. hiho

    hiho off to work we go

    Beautiful key date, put me down for MS-63RB.
     
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  10. NotSure

    NotSure I'm sure I'm NotSure

    Agreed that the coin doesn't look like it has the luster due to the image. This is the biggest problem with 'guess the grade' threads. Unless you are a very very good coin photographer, only you know what it looks like in-hand (hence, only you can see what we can't see. With that said, I'm guessing the image is a bit 'washed out', so I'm going with 64RB, especially in an ANACS holder (by the images, I'm guessing it's an older, small white holder).
     
    NotSure, Jan 31, 2010
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  11. Coinfreak~24

    Coinfreak~24 Active Member

    to me it look's like a ms63 rb
     
    Coinfreak~24, Jan 31, 2010
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  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I think that coin has some of the most unusal planchet characteristics that I've ever seen. Wonder if some are roller marks ? There's some orange peel from worn dies, die polish marks, uneven surfaces and those ripple like marks.

    But other than the hit on the cheekbone, very small scratch on the shoulder and some very, very light scratches on the reverse - the coin is exceptionally clean in regard to contact marks. But boy the surface sure is rough.

    I gotta go along with the 63/64, but that is one very unusal coin.
     
    GDJMSP, Jan 31, 2010
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  13. abe

    abe LaminatedLincolnCollector

    63/64 the reverse is pretty dag-gone awesome...
     
    abe, Jan 31, 2010
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  14. grizz

    grizz numismatist

    ....i noticed what doug noticed. i vote 63rb
     
    grizz, Jan 31, 2010
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  15. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    Photo can fool the best of us !but if I had it to grade it just from the I would put MS60RB
     
    jello, Jan 31, 2010
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  16. SirCharlie

    SirCharlie Chuck

    Nice coin, but I think it has been cleaned, at least the obverse.
    I would give it a MS60RB for Details.
     
    SirCharlie, Jan 31, 2010
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  17. 2CentRick

    2CentRick Senior Moment

    That reverse is pretty wild with the way that things go from the field over top of the devices and back into the fields. Good picture. Hard to shoot thru plastic.
     
    2CentRick, Jan 31, 2010
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  18. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    rlm's cents, Jan 31, 2010
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  19. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    PCGS bagged this years ago for QT. ANACS gave it a 62 RB.
    The reverse is a bit wild and I don't understand it but it sure looks like it was messed with. It looks like it was painted.
     
    ldhair, Jan 31, 2010
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  20. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Sorry, messed that up.
     
    ldhair, Jan 31, 2010
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  21. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Is the luster really that bad or is there something else?
     
    rlm's cents, Jan 31, 2010
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