An uncommon coin of a very common emperor

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  1. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    No, it has not been posted yet. It is a FEL TEMP REPARATIO type with the emperor standing and only one captive (and no "Hut").
     
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  3. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    That's the one from Thessalonica, isn't it? I might still have one of those, but I don't have a photo of it. I'll check this weekend. If I do, I'll photograph it and post it unless someone beats me to it.
     
  4. coin_nut

    coin_nut Well-Known Member

    330-348 Constantius II obv.JPG 330-348 Constantius II rev.JPG I see I have one also. I have it labeled as Constantius II, 330-348 AD.
     
  5. Heliodromus

    Heliodromus Well-Known Member

    Here's mine. It took a while to find an OK one, and definitely tough to find one much better. Maybe someone has one?

    Constantius.jpg

    This is RIC VIII Thessalonica 178, issued in 351 AD, maybe in response to Constantius' initial victory over Magnentius at the Battle of Mursa in the neighboring province of Pannonia.

    There's a fun kind of symmetry to a rare FEL TEMP type, RIC VIII Lyons 108, issued by Magnentius from Lyons in 350 AD, after he had just donned the purple in nearby Autun.

    Magnentius.jpg
     
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  6. Heliodromus

    Heliodromus Well-Known Member

    I think it's possible that this was really just Rome's version of the "phonenix on rocky mound" as issued by other mints. Tory's coin makes it look more nest-like than mound-like, but that's not always true.

    Here's a larger photo of "Tory's coin" from WildWinds, from whoever bought it.

    Tory.jpg

    And here's one from Vienna looking much more mound-like.

    VIenna Rome.jpg

    Compare to Vienna's one from Aquileia considered just as a mound.

    Vienna Aquileia.jpg

    I've not been able to find any reference to it, but there must be come mythalogical basis to this association of the phoenix with a rocky perch/nest. Here's a 5thC AD mosaic in the Louvre, taken from Antioch, depicting the same scene.

    Louvre.jpg
     
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  7. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    @Heliodromus, I've never seen that Magnentius FEL TEMP before. Nice coin.

    Just to muddy the waters a little, here's a couple (worn, beat up) REPARATIO FEL TEMPs of Procopius (son of Precocius?). Hey, Latin experts, how does changing the order of the words affect the meaning?
    Procopius.jpg
    (Bronze) AE III
    Cyzicus mint, A.D. 365-366
    Obv: D N PROCO-PIVS P F AVG
    Rev: REPARATI-O FEL TEMP - Emperor standing, facing right, holding labarum in right hand and resting left hand on shield
    SMKB in exergue
    RIC 9
    16mm, 2.2g

    Procopius2.jpg
    As above, but RIC 7 (left-facing bust)
    17mm, 2.7g
     
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  8. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Here is the other FEL TEMP REPARATIO type of Constantius II that is not common:

    Cs23FTR1captive9750.jpg

    24 mm. 5.78 grams.
    Emperor standing left, holding Victory on globe and standard with chi-rho on left, captive below.
    Γ ✳
    ✳TSB•
    RIC VIII 178 variety (Γ is not listed there, but it is for 172 which has a ✳ after TSB where 178 has a •, a minor difference).

    This type is only from Thessalonica. It was struck after Vetranio, with Gallus.

    In 1933 Harold Mattingly wrote an article "FEL. TEMP. REPARATIO" which was reprinted by Attic Books in 1977 (long before pdfs were on the web). Surprisingly, although intended to be comprehensive, it fails to list or illustrate this type, which is some evidence of its rarity.
     
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  9. Heliodromus

    Heliodromus Well-Known Member

    Yes - scroll up a little! ;)
     
  10. Brian Bucklan

    Brian Bucklan Well-Known Member

    Thought I'd throw in a silver type. Not the best ... but these are tough to find.

    Constantius II AR Siliqua, Arelate mint
    Obv: (Anepigraphic); Bust right with eyes turned upwards
    Rev: CONSTANTIVS AVGVSTVS; Victory advancing left holding wreath and palm, C(dot)S in exergue
    Constantius AR Siliqua Anepigraphic.jpg
     
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  11. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    picture is dead!
     
  12. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Thank you. It is now fixed.
     
  13. wittwolf

    wittwolf Well-Known Member

    I think this type is not the most uncommon but not exactly common too:
    Emperor Constantius II. - CONCORDIA MILITVM - Minted under the "usurper" Vetranio in Siscia
    Constantius II 2.png
     
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  14. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Here's another uncommon reverse type of Constantius II. The reverse legend refers to Constantine I's vision of the cross before his battle with Maxentius.
    ConstantiusII.jpg
    (Bronze) AE3
    Siscia mint, A.D. 350
    Obv: D N CONSTAN-TIVS P F AVG
    Rev: HOC SIG-NO VICTOR ERIS - Emperor, standing, facing left, holding labarum (standard with Chi-Rho) being crowned by Victory
    •ΓSIS✳ in exergue; A in left field
    RIC 291
    21mm, 3.8g.
     
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  15. Voulgaroktonou

    Voulgaroktonou Well-Known Member

    And here's a similar coin to that of @Valentinian: Rome, 348-50. Ae, 4.14 gr. 22 mm. 12 h. RIC 154.
    31018r.jpg
     
  16. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Here's my, rather scruffy, phoenix on rocky mound, holding a branch in its talons:
    ConstantiusII1.jpg
    Constantius II,
    A.D. 337 - 361
    AE3
    Rome mint, A.D. 348-350
    RIC 141 (Var., with branch)
    Obv: D N CONSTAN-TIVS P F AVG.
    Rev: FEL TEMP REPARATIO - Phoenix, radiate, standing, facing right, on rocky mound, holding branch in talons.
    R[T?] in exergue
    19 mm, 2.6g
     
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  17. Heliodromus

    Heliodromus Well-Known Member

    And here's mine. Same issue as yours, but pearl diadem, so RIC 153.

    Fel Temp.jpg
     
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