Coins Pawnbrookers and theft in Milwaukee

Remind me, if you would, exactly which non-diverse ethnic group does not "find ways of committing fraud".

 

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One that doesn't fly away to Pakastan when the cops show up at the door, amoung others. One that doesn't have mob related criminal activities that are funded by foriegn agents in Russia? Should I continue, or do you get the gist of the problem that we face in NYC that you don't face in say, Fayetteville, NC. there is also the simple matter of language etc.

 

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Like Matzah ball

 

I hope you still trust people

 

Most pawn shops here in St. George, Utah have cameras. Most sellers have to give their finger print. Might help a little.

 

We don't have an opioid problem, we have a Narcan problem.

Now that the police know about the false swearing law, they need to start charging it.

As for pawnshops that are having non-notary's notarize documents, that is usually a crime as well. And if they are doing that, I would say that would negate any claim that they would have releasing them from being liable for dealing in stolen property. You don't get it properly notarized you can't claim "He said it wasn't stolen". Get it done properly you have some protection and the seller gets stuck with the false swearing charge.

There are honest pawnbrokers and they don't like being tarred with the same brush as the dishonest ones. They may not like having to deal with all the laws and regulations that they do, but I would guarantee they would like to see the dishonest ones that give the profession a bad name go down for their crimes.

Then you do something to take the money out of it., like charge them when they use false notarys, or buy stolen goods and not list them. Make it not worth their while to try and evade the laws.

 

agreed

 

The light sentences for theft, I agree, is part of the problem. Additionally, most theft is not even prosecutable in NYC, because the police won't prosecute shoplifting less than $400 because the courts won't prosecute. It has reached a point where retailers won't report the crimes (and then advocates use that as an excuse to prove that such crimes don't exist which makes one sick to their stomach).

The same is true of home break ins. They just don't get enough traction in the legal system, with a court system overwhelmed with cases and a dwindling amount of prison space. One of the things that numismatic organizations need to do is to push for legislation that promotes public safety and recognizes numismatic crime as a special case worthy of more pronounced law enforcement and resources. Police reports need to mandate that they include all available information of collections. We need uniform criminal penalties since coins are commonly traded on line. We need to strengthen postal and wire theft so that the commerce in coins is more secure... etc etc.

Never the less, that doesn't make pawnshops any less guilty in the trade of stolen coins, and stolen goods. And that some, if not many, pawn dealers are honest, that doesn't mean that the trade itself is not damaging, because it is. Many, if not most, pawnshops are nothing more than legal fencing operations, especially in the ghetto. Whatever resources the police departments have, they are quickly overwhelmed by the sheer volume of stolen goods that these establishments deal in. Existing law just creates a legal safe harbor for stolen property to be sold, and there is little or nothing the cops can realistically be expected to do about it. They would need an entire division just to deal with pawn brokers.

 

Could you expand on your reasoning here? What makes numismatic crime more "special" than the theft of any other valuables? (I mean, it's obviously special to us, but...)

 

I have a detailed answer to this, but a short answer just for now is that Numismatic items have specific properties that make them more susceptible to theft than other items, like clothing or furniture or electronics or soap, which makes them deserve specific coverage under the law. These include the following bullet points

• Coins are highly portable, by design
• they are highly valuable, more than even just bullion
• they are easy to liquidate in the market
• they are hard to identify individually without great expertise or/and AI
• coin thefts tend to lead to violence as we can see with the large number of murdered coin dealers over the years.
• "rare" coins are used for wealth accumulation
• Coins are cultural artifacts that need protection from destruction, such as melting them down.

Other properties that share these characteristic, especially in years past, had special law to protect them, such as negotiable bonds, bank deposits, Jewels, commercial drugs even.

 

Jewel theft is different than regular theft? I simply do not understand why your items you care about are more important than someone's baseball cards or anything else?

 

Diamond dealers have specific regulations. Diamonds might even be tagged and tracable.

 

Diamonds can be laser engraved with a traceable ID. Not sure if collectors would want this on a coin. Plus, diamond is one of the hardest materials on earth so it would difficult to remove. But put it on the relatively soft coin metals, and I could see the possibility of shenanigans.

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nevermind, not sure of the copyright regulations with this