Coins Pawnbrookers and theft in Milwaukee

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Fair enough about the Pawn Shops need to dot their i's and get all of their employees to be notaries. You know, however, its like $25 bucks no questions asked to fill out the form and become a notary. Another option would be to update state law, drop the 1940's notary idea, and let the law be charged to whoever lied even if not in front of a notary.

In other words, you keep trying to make this against dealers and pawn shops. I say they are legitimate businesses, its the thieves who are the main problem and the government needs to do better in creating ways to catch, prosecute, and punish them. How much time will this thief actually serve for stealing what could be a major portion of someone's life savings? 2 months if that, or simply parole. This is if the system even manages to convict him.

In addition, how did the man have the combination to the safe? The owner has to take some responsibility here as well.

 

Suggestion.

Why don't you just start 1 thread with your theft posts. That way, they will all be in 1 place, it would be easy to reference in the future if needed, and others can add if they want.

Numerous individual threads will just get lost in the shuffle

 

They should throw the book at that thief.

 

I had to take a test from a booklet that had been mimeographed for generations, transferred to computer print outs, and was barely understandable. The same for the test. Fortunately, most people pass anyway.

 

In two states I operate in, there is a form and check a box that they looked at instructions. Then send check in with form, wait a week, and you are a notary. Are you in NY, NJ, Mass or similar? They are the only ones I know of that pretend you need to study from what I have seen. NY is a catastrophe for nearly everything business related. It seems like they invent ways to facilitate corruption there.

 

I don't know what a legitimate business is but knowingly dealing is stolen property on a routine basis is generally not within my definition and following the letter of the law is just not good enough. No amount of law, regardless of the good intentions or not, and law on second hand sales and pawn brokers are not created with good intentions, can protect the public from a plethora of corrupt and unethical actors. You need it all - good law; ethically minded law enforcement; and business men in the market dedicated to compliance to sensible and effective practices and solid ethics.

All these things are missing in the pawn business, and you judge for yourself as to what is happening with coin dealers.

 

I might quibble the point, but I agree broadly with this sentiment, especially in small business. We have more actors, and a diverse ethnic soup who find ways of commiting fraud on levels you might not see elsewhere. And the government responds in kind. It becomes a mess.

 

My question is, how did he come up with the safe combination?

 

WHY would they "knowingly" traffic in stolen goods? You realize that is a felony, and at a minimum if they get caught with them they lose the goods and the money they paid for them. What you are describing is a fence, and they do go to jail. To lump all coin dealers and pawn brokers together and say they are all felons to me is beyond the pale sir. I truly am sorry if you were stolen from, and hope the thief gets caught. However, you are not innocent most likely. What did YOU do to prevent it? Did you get off your rear and either get a SDB or a good home safe that is bolted down? Did you ever let others know you collect coins? A thief can only steal what he is able to, and the owner does have a part to play in securing his items as well. No, stealing is never right, but if you did nothing to stop it you should not be surprised. There are truly crappy people in the world.

Please quit trying to say all coin dealers traffic knowingly in stolen coins. You are saying they are thieves and felons. Its not true and not funny. Btw, no, I am not a dealer.

 

Notary test is not very difficult.

 

there is some fundamental legal understanding, however, that a notary has to have, in order to effect reasonable law. You are witnessing for the court either a sworn statement, deposition or an affirmation. People ask why they need to sign a document in front of the notary.... it is quite amazing. It is not like sending something by registered mail.

 

Because there is money in it.

 

I didn't do that. Get back in the lane cowboy.

 

What are you referring to here specifically?

 

Everyone in the industry is dealing with stolen coins and every one of them knows it. You and I both likely have stolen coins in our collections - coins that were at one time stolen and reentered the market. The question is, what do they do about it. And the best part is that it is often LEGAL because of sunset laws and because the bar for showing that a coin has been stolen is SO HIGH that the victim can rarely enforce a legal claim,

• EVEN if they have photographs of each coin.
• EVEN if they have a record of receipts.
  
• EVEN if they have a police report of the theft.

So that is the way it is. And we all collapse back to the Dale method of security, with Rottweilers and Glocks. There is no way you are going to get help from the Numismatic community.

That SUCKS and we can do much better and we have to or the government will do it for us. If coin dealers don't want to be lumped in with pawn brokers, and I am not making that case because while there are similarities, the two business models are completely different, then they have to do better to make sure they differentiate their business practices.

 

The only way you can protect things that are valuable is to get tough security. Are SDB security? Maybe some. However, if someone breaks into my home and finds my safe, will I give them the combination if the thief puts a gun to my wife's head? Of course. I believe that we all need to evaluate the risk of having coins and do enough research to find the best way to protect your things of value. Maybe my dogs won't stop thiefs, but the will raise enough commotion that it will give me time to get my Glock out and call 911. That may not be an option to some of you, but you have to evaluate what you need to do for security. Anyway, if someone kills or hurts one of my animals, I will blow them away. Hopefully, I would have time to do that.

 

It was in his bag! I thought about that. Obviously he somehow aquired the combination. If she gave it to him, for some reason, legally it is not even considered a crime.

We had a delivery guy who we gave the keys to the car for, in order to deliver prescriptions when I was very young. The guy was a convicted felon and was supposed to go to prision for 3 months, but he works with us and my father trusted him and he was loyal to dad as we always treated him fairly. It is a very Brooklyn thing, maybe. Away, after making deliveries the guy disapeared with the car.... poof. We called the cops and they said that since we gave him the keys, it is technically not a car theft....

REAL story.

He showed back up 3 days later when he had to report to jail, and apoligzed, gave us back the keys and the car and explained, he just had to take a trip before being locked up for 3 months, and hoped we would understand why he borrowed the car.

 

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